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Postby HYPNAGOGIA » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:38 pm

-intro-one- wrote:Read this again:
http://developer.intel.com/technology/intel64/index.htm

It is still not 64-bit processor and You still can't install eg. Vista 64 there.

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Here's what the page of your link says...

Intel® 64 Architecture
Intel® 64 architecture delivers 64-bit computing on server, workstation, desktop and mobile platforms when combined with supporting software.¹ Intel 64 architecture improves performance by allowing systems to address more than 4 GB of both virtual and physical memory.

Intel 64 provides support for:
* 64-bit flat virtual address space
* 64-bit pointers
* 64-bit wide general purpose registers
* 64-bit integer support
* Up to one terabyte (TB) of platform address space

Desktop and notebook processors
Intel® Core™2 Extreme processor
Intel® Core™2 Quad processor
Intel® Core™2 Duo processor


Now, where exactly does it say it's not a 64-bit processor? Furthermore, specifically for Kat's processor:

Processor Specifications:
sSpec Number: SLA9X
CPU Speed: 2.33 GHz
PCG: 06
Bus Speed: 1333 MHz
Bus/Core Ratio: 7
L2 Cache Size: 4 MB
L2 Cache Speed: 2.33 GHz

Package Type: LGA775
Manufacturing Technology: 65 nm
Core Stepping: G0
CPUID String: 06FBh
Thermal Design Power: 65W
Thermal Specification: 72°C
VID Voltage Range: 0.85V – 1.5V

Supported Features:
■ Dual Core
■ Enhanced Intel Speedstep® Technology
Intel® EM64T <== This here says it IS a 64-bit CPU
■ Intel® Virtualization Technology
■ Enhanced Halt State (C1E)
■ Execute Disable Bit
■ Intel® Thermal Monitor
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Postby Kat » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:37 pm

Ok, I have disabled the onboard soundcard, serial, and LPT1 port. Installed Asio4ALL. Tried Orion 6.2 and 7.603 with no luck. Any ideas?

Is it time for Vista?
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Postby Marcin » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:45 pm

Kat wrote:Is it time for Vista?


I think, yes. It seems that XP isn't good for Intel Dual Cores.
But as I told You Kat, I've spent many many days and nothing.

But don't know if it is good idea to install 64-bit Vista. Is it?

Doesn't it work as single processor if set 64-bit and dual if 32-bit? Am I wrong or not? Sorry if it is stupid question, maby it is. Don't know, in fact I couldn't install Vista 64-bit here. :D

And furthermore, if You planning to install Vista 64-bit make sure also that You will have all drivers You need.
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Postby Kriminal » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:49 pm

Kat wrote:already taken it to the shop, they are as baffled as me.



and ask for you money back....take it to a better shop.
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Postby HYPNAGOGIA » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:04 pm

-intro-one- wrote:Doesn't it work as single processor if set 64-bit and dual if 32-bit? Am I wrong or not? Sorry if it is stupid question, maby it is. Don't know, in fact I couldn't install Vista 64-bit here. :D

All cores are capable of performing 64-bit instructions, you can't divide that on 2x32-bit, nor it has 2x64-bit cores to make it 128-bit processor, or 4x64=256-bit and whatnot.
The only dividing that occurs is the split of processes that goes between cores.
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Postby Kat » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:09 pm

I wish one of the developers would try and shed some light on this??!

I am fairly sure it is some kind of hardware / software conflict. Maybe it is incompatible with the motherboard and chip
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Postby Marcin » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:26 pm

HYPNAGOGIA wrote:
-intro-one- wrote:Doesn't it work as single processor if set 64-bit and dual if 32-bit? Am I wrong or not? Sorry if it is stupid question, maby it is. Don't know, in fact I couldn't install Vista 64-bit here. :D

All cores are capable of performing 64-bit instructions, you can't divide that on 2x32-bit, nor it has 2x64-bit cores to make it 128-bit processor, or 4x64=256-bit and whatnot.
The only dividing that occurs is the split of processes that goes between cores.


OK, I got it :D
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Postby Marcin » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:30 pm

Kat wrote:I wish one of the developers would try and shed some light on this??!


I think that will be hard to do. Becouse I've created very simple application which every half of second added "1" into some text file. What I found... at the time Orion crashed and whole system then everything stopped. There were no more new "ones" in text file. Just everything stopped and only processor gone to full.
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Postby heks » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:38 pm

Kat you said "I have replaced the motherboard, processor and memory" do you mean that you replace these components and used your old hard drive with them? If so, did you do a clean reinstall of XP?
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Postby Kat » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:06 pm

yes, the shop I brought the computer from replaced the components, I then re-installed XP and the new version of orion!
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Postby Kriminal » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:08 pm

Kat wrote:I wish one of the developers would try and shed some light on this??!

I am fairly sure it is some kind of hardware / software conflict. Maybe it is incompatible with the motherboard and chip


yes it is, but nothing to do with Orion...do a clean install, get all the up to date drivers and service packs, then come back....
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Postby heks » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:09 pm

Ok, for one moment I thought you may have allot of old drivers lurking about on your hard drive. Sorry, not a clue then.
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Postby Richard » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:20 pm

Like Jouni said, something is wrong with your computer. No application can possibly cause a bluescreen/blackness under XP or Vista. Drivers can, but Orion is not a driver.
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Postby Marcin » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:37 pm

Richard wrote:Like Jouni said, something is wrong with your computer. No application can possibly cause a bluescreen/blackness under XP or Vista. Drivers can, but Orion is not a driver.

Yest that is for sure true, I know. But there could be some operation done which causes crash - and becouse this is XP and Intel's processor? Becouse after crash only CPU goes to full.

@Kat - can You tell me, does after crash Your CPU is very hot and cooler works as fast as it can? If Yes, this is same problem and for sure it mean Intel's processor + XP.

@Kat - I think You schould install 32-bit Vista OS, that is finally all what can I propose after many many days of doing everything what is possible and for get nothing.
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Postby HYPNAGOGIA » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:48 pm

Orion -> Audio Driver -> Soundcard.

- Orion has its own processes. Since Orion works on many other computers (yes, even with XP), that's certainly not it.
- Audio Driver - could be the cause of problems, as it is literally the bridge between the application and the output.
- Soundcard - I think only the hardware faulty soundcard could possibly cause system to hang. But the weird part is that system normally works, and if it can play audio files (like mp3s, audio CDs), then the only assumption would be the driver.
Kat, have you tried to use the integrated soundcard, and take out Audigy? Just for the sake of testing.

And I'm not quite sure how XP can overheat your CPU, intro-one. That sounds absurd to me. I think Kat should try some more ways before going out to buy various versions of Vista, don't you think?


PS. I always considered Intel processor to be brute work force CPUs, but I settled for AMD for two reasons:
1. They get the job done, in many cases even better
2. Are significantly cheaper.... same thing for less money.
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