Lance wrote:Suppose Orion has 6 sends, and I use a delay on Send #5, and it would be shared amongst e.g. 4 instruments but with different amounts. Could I achieve that routing them to a bus, if Send #5 wouldn't exist? No.
I'm sure that the four existing sends would satisfy those requirements and any additional load could be taken on by extra busses. It makes reasonable sense to me, although either way is a fuck around, because it makes the Master Section bigger.
I vote for maintaining the status quo and learning to work within your limitations.
Kriminal wrote:[3 inserts? why not 4?
Why more than one, when we have containers?
Vicious_Angel wrote:I dont find any use for sends as i cannot route the audio from there through an actual bus and lets say compress it. If we had the option to route the sound through a bus and not to master then ok.
But you can't route a bus through a bus either, so there is no advantage either way. If you want to compress your sends, you can always add a compressor to that strip.
Lance wrote:If send, the I'd be disappointed because we started with 8 (on tabbed UI, which is more flexible and powerful, doesn't hurt others' workflow, keep the size small)
Anything with a tabbed UI affects my workflow. It's evil and must not be tolerated. I must be able to see everything that's going on, hiding things, even unused things, is simply not an option. I've used this analogy before but have you ever been into a studio where they were working on a mix with a drop-sheet over half the mixer? Of course not, producers need to see the whole desk to understand what is happening. So do we, whether you understand that or not.
Lance wrote:But how a bus could exchange a send with an effects shared on more than one channel with different 'send' amount? That can't work.
How can Vicious_Angel compress the output of a send plus the original signal? There will always be pros and cons for each so maybe one more of each is the best compromise? An extra bus button won;t take up nearly as much space as an extra send, at least.
jouni wrote:Personally I think the busses could easily be "left out" and replaced with Sends. Basically same thing, except Busses don't have level adjustment per channel.
Sends cannot function properly as sub-groups, which is surely the main purpose of busses? Yes, you can unlink sends from the channel volume and control it's level through the send but that is not a very intuitive way to build a mix. A channel volume fader should be where we go to adjust the volume of a channel. Using a send for sub-grouping is incredibly poor workflow and I, for one, simply could not work effectively that way.
Lance wrote:6 sends won't hurt loyal users
It might not hurt you, but it will most assuredly hurt my workflow.
(I'm also a loyal user), and newcomers won't say 'this sucks'.
NO, instead they will be asking how to get to all the sends brochure told them were there but aren't visible anywhere. Then they will find them and realise that now the bottom of their mixer is off screen and they have to continually scroll to use it, or constantly open/close the extra sends. How that will make their experience "better and better" is lost on me, I'm afraid.
I like to work natively. Orion is very powerful for that, especially for electronic music. Do you think Cubase is good for that? It might be good as a sequencer, but the majority of its included instruments is mediocre or crap. Also I try to use as few VSTs as possible, simply because they have average or crap quality and use to become abandoned, incompatible, buggy, etc.
If this is really an insight into your thinking, you're nuts. You'll limit yourself in some areas but not others. How about finding sounds that don;t require such heavy use of effects?