Hi,
If you, as me, use 20 years old hifi monitors (10€ on ebay ), here is some tip to correct them.
Actually It works dramatically at home, I've just think to that and the result is amazing ! (no i'm not selling anything ^^)
it is really ez to do, but i don't know why I waited sooo long to do it.
equ on the master !!! (that will just be here to correct what you hear but will not be active in the export process). Who, what a secret !
Yeah its not a secret but who use a software eq everytime ? (Idont have 31eq neither in hardware version...)
My problem was in bass (<200hz) range.
I had a lot of resonnance in very specific frequncies that made my sound quite cheap at home.
these frequ were arround 100, 110, 130, 150 and 180 hz !
[I should add also that I had some 50€ altec lansing subbass (from 2.1 kit) that helps me to go under 80hz.]
what I did :
I used some sine generator that was producing nice finetuning (massive )
then I played sine and sweep the freuq to get max values in amp by the ear
If your speakers are bad you should hear a big difference of volume btw freq...
. Then, technical eq :
something like minus -1; -2 dB, q= 0,04
Try to adjust the gain to get a flat response by the ear of course
do it like for 10 frequencies (if you have them, there are infinite !
then in the contrary do also it for the lack of frequency response (ie : 1,5 dB, Q=0,12)
then you'll have like 15 band very sharp that will
then you can also try to adjust the global response with larger Q.
Save the preset and load it to the alsmost last vst slot !
PS : I'm not drunk and really proud !
PS2 : don't try to add 15 dB to 50hz, it will distort you signal...
PS3 : as you noticed, BW is very tight, but positive gain BW is generally larger than the ones for gain reduction.
Tell me if it works at yoru home !
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a simple (but long) thing to enhance your poor monitorsOrion 8, Live 8Le, Cubase 4 LE, Cantana, APC40, UC16, Fostex PM1MKII, Q9550, 4G0, 1,5T, 22"+15"
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a simple (but long) thing to enhance your poor monitorsNot bad Eklectro - and I'm good and pissed BTW. But if one can make somethng sound good on the poorest of monitors - it should sound good on the lamest of speakers. What one does to there own monitors in way of effciency may not transfer well for streaming and external playback.
Go for bright and snappy on low and dingy. No one wants to adjust bass and treble on their stereo just for your song. Last edited by Dungeon Studio on Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:56 am, edited 1 time in total.
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??? I didn't understood... the final 35 band equ correction of my system looks like that : http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4403/t ... ection.jpg Orion 8, Live 8Le, Cubase 4 LE, Cantana, APC40, UC16, Fostex PM1MKII, Q9550, 4G0, 1,5T, 22"+15"
http://soundcloud.com/eklectro/i-like-xylo-29-03-2011
a simple (but long) thing to enhance your poor monitorsow shit, I dit these 2 hours of hard sine listening with the xbass activated on the awai hifi...
((((( need to do it again... Orion 8, Live 8Le, Cubase 4 LE, Cantana, APC40, UC16, Fostex PM1MKII, Q9550, 4G0, 1,5T, 22"+15"
http://soundcloud.com/eklectro/i-like-xylo-29-03-2011
a simple (but long) thing to enhance your poor monitorsI think many listeners don't muck with their amps and output devices much. So I try to leave my output amp and speakers at 'centered' settings. But via mastering punch the treble and bass as best I can. That way if someone plays a CD or MP3, it sounds like they've turned up the bass and/or treble on their amp - but didn't.
Are you rendering this EQ setting onto your Songs and stuff Eklectro? I think anything in between OP and your amp to compensate will cause trouble with your mixes for other listeners on other devices. What sounds good to you and your cheapy monitors with the nice EQ inbetween, maybe bad on someones car stereo or iPod player when they check out your tune. And thus they'll have to fiddle with THEIR bass and treble settings to try and replicate how it might sound at your studio. Last edited by Dungeon Studio on Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
a simple (but long) thing to enhance your poor monitorsI think the most important thing to do is get accustomed to what other music sounds like through your monitors.
a simple (but long) thing to enhance your poor monitorsThere you go! I may not have the best amp or monitors either, but as long as I can make my music sound like the CD's and high end stuff I play through it as well, I figure it should carry well to other systems then.
Unless you're an Audiophile and can anticipate so-and-so's mastering of the Chopin Concerto and wish to adjust your EQ rack to compensate for a better listening experience...? And even renedering over-compensating EQ onto a track to come out better on 'cheap monitors' - maybe too much for someone who has 'good monitors' or even a cheaper system? Make it sound as good as you can by all means. But be careful on what you're anticipating and over compensating for certain audio shortfalls. Last edited by Dungeon Studio on Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
a simple (but long) thing to enhance your poor monitorsof course I'm not using this eq for rendering. "(that will just be here to correct what you hear but will not be active in the export process)."
In deed, the best thing is to be used to listen pro music on own system. But anyway its a great thinng to kill resonnance, and it really enhance all kind of sound (mine, pro...) thats just a way to get a better sound motinor. I just need a (cd/mp3) player that can load vst ! Orion 8, Live 8Le, Cubase 4 LE, Cantana, APC40, UC16, Fostex PM1MKII, Q9550, 4G0, 1,5T, 22"+15"
http://soundcloud.com/eklectro/i-like-xylo-29-03-2011
a simple (but long) thing to enhance your poor monitorsYour spec's look good. And I haven't used a EQ to enhance listening in a LONG time. I used to, and found I kept nudging things up and down to get that 'perfect sound'. I think it started affecting my perception of sound overall then, and did away with all my EQ's.
Albeit those on OP and mastering plugs. Thank God for those! Like a cylinder to enhance your privates - just be careful how you pump it is all.
a simple (but long) thing to enhance your poor monitorsIf your serious serious about music production, and not just tune making, just save up and by some damn nearfields.
They are the most important bit of kit to own IMHO. They transmit the sound to your ears. Last edited by voidloss on Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:44 am, edited 1 time in total.
a simple (but long) thing to enhance your poor monitorsEklektro is doing manually for nothing what you can pay lots of money for - like with IK Multimedia's ARC system:
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/arc/features/ Basically, they sell you a posh microphone, you record various tones through your system into the mic, then the software analyses the sound and corrects where it deviates from a flat response with EQ - it makes it sound like you have great speakers and an acoustically treated room, so Eklektro has the right idea, except he's trying to correct the colouration from his speakers.
a simple (but long) thing to enhance your poor monitorsBut again, look at how many EQ's there are in hardware and software?
It looks like Eklectro's got a good one (Waves?) But would the same settings sound different on another EQ plug or a hardware EQ between the PC and the speakers? And if someone on the listening end has their Bass at 1 and Treble at 2 - will they have to compensate so Eklectro's music sounds good? EQ's a real tricky game between source and speaker. Be it a good rack on good monitors, or cheap software on cheap speakers. I'm with Voidloss - a good amp, and good speakers. And everything is good thereafter.
a simple (but long) thing to enhance your poor monitors
Yes but he is doing it by ear, so the only standard he is setting is a standard to his ears, in the particular space he is in at the particular distance he is from the monitors at that time. It`s frought with innacuracy.
a simple (but long) thing to enhance your poor monitorsVoidloss : I'll get my first wage within 2 weeks ! so do not worry
I've made some final year project on acoutsic correction, and processed correction by convolution and deconvolution. Actually it worked very well and was wery accurate, but @ home I dont have a mic that can do the job. Or i need to know its IR. Dungeon studio, do not worry, the correction made "by ear " is just for my speaker, @ the place I'm listening but not for everywhere else. So I repeat that I use it just for my listening, not for the rendering. I thing that with such process I can enhance by listening experience from 50-18 kHz @ +-12 dB to 50 - 18 kHz @ +- 5dB the main probleme there is that the process induce a lot of phasing, what is not wanted on master. The eq used was some Rogers digital one, a very accurate, unlimited (almost) param eq. Actually, I'm not trying to remove the coloration of my speaker, but at least to reduce it. And it will still be colorated, cause I can detect frequ response (resonance) on a short BW, but the global curve on the spectrum is far more difficult to get without mic. Its trhought with innacuray, but surelly better than before, beleive me ! edit : my convolution correction was fft based, 8192 sample size. It means that I was able to correct ech band of frequ larg of 5 Hz approx. (22050/4096 But this process woulnt have been enough precise for low frequencies, bc the resonnance is on very thin BW. However this works well with higher freq. That the pb of fft : low precision in low frequ... Last edited by Eklectro on Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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