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separating kick and bassok so im working on this track and the kick sounds fine by itself and same with the bass. but when played together, the kick still sounds good but the bass kinda cut out when the kick hits. what do i need to do?
separating kick and bassOrion's compressor has a sidechain on it. slap the compressor onto your bass, and set the sidechain to be activated by the kick.
Edit: Probably not enough info, sorry. The kick and the bass share the same frequencies, so you need to find a workaround to get them to play together nicely. There are many ways to do this, but one of the most common is ducking. I.E. - you sidechain the bass to the kick so that when the kick hits, at the same time as the bass, the bass is compressed enough to let the kick through, while retaining a bit of its own integrity. Are you familiar with what compression does, or do you just sort of see it as an effect that makes things kind of louder some how? Edit 2: question about compression is not a dig on you at all, just some people don't really understand compression at all. Last edited by Icaro on Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
separating kick and bassAlso try shelving upper EQ levels. Even though the upper harmonics may not be totally distinguishable on their own, they can make the drum more 'clicky' and the bass more 'poppy' so they stand out a little better - but still contain their 'main meat' of bassiness.
I agree with Icaro too. For the longest time I subscribed to the Brian Eno School Of Production, and avoided using compressors and such. But regardless of music styles and ferocity - they really are essential.
separating kick and bassSidechain the bass(line) with a compressor (put compressor on channel) and choose the Kick as a sidechain (see compressor).
Then EQ them both. The kick has kind of melt into the bass(line) but it still has to be strong. It's hell of work. It's the most important thing if you are in Electro or Tech something or Club sound in general. Minimal also goes but the kick can be thin and seperated from the bassline. Whatever! The side compressor will take away a bit of the bass(line) while the kick is kicking. You can get a pumping sound from the bass(line) when you adjust the compressor. Kind of standard. But good feature. Sounds great! Monty Mo Last edited by DaZoid on Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
separating kick and bassIf you sidechain the bass it will cut out even more when the kick hits, which seems to be the opposite of what the guy wants. The best idea is to use EQ to try and carve a little niche for each. Normally I try and pump the low EQ on the kick but I concentrate more on the lower mids with my basslines, around 400Hz. So you could try cutting the kick in the lower mids and boosting the bassline in the same frequency range to fill that gap. A little bit of playing around and you should be able to get both parts working together.
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separating kick and bassgive us a sound example. That would be the best to do. It always depends on the track.
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well, it sounds to me that when he describes the bass cutting out, he's talking about the phasing of the two similiar sounds against each other. I know you're not a huge fan of the idea of sidechaing Bones, but it does offer a bit of control over how the two sounds hit each other. I would hope that even when someone uses sidechain compression, that they use a little eq as well, in order to put each sound in its own space of the spectrum. Without that, you'll most likely end up with the kick or the bass sounding weaker, depending on the qualities of the sounds used. I don't always use sidechain compression to take care of phasing issues though, so I'm not disagreeing with you. Last edited by Icaro on Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:09 am, edited 1 time in total.
separating kick and bassExample of bassline being compressed by the kick starts @ ~1:40 - http://www.thesixtyone.com/jacobtalking ... ing/70136/
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I agree totaly your sounds are at the same frequency so you have to eq or change one of the two to a diffrent sound Last edited by arnosons on Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
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separating kick and bassBoth suggested solutions will work nicely. But it also depends on what you want it to sound like. In many dance tracks sidechaning is used for "ducking". But maybe it's not suitable for your case.
That's something you have to test for yourself...But one thing: Proper EQing is needed for the whole mix to sound right. Last edited by cooliadh on Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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I have been using Orion for years and couldnt never get the Sidechain working how I wanted, si I got Audiowares Sidechain and it worked a treat. I just tried exactly what you said and it does the same For some reason I thought I had the compressor on the drums to controel the bass and could never understand why I couldnt get the effect I wanted.
separating kick and bassI always prog a peak and trough at the same freq/Q to lock them together.
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separating kick and bassdo not sidechain, it sounds crap, use EQ, its the only way to get kick and bass sounds to go well together (unless you want that shitty SC effect...)
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people have been asking how to do this in Orion for years, i have put up example sfs files about 5 times, and no bugger even said thanks....its easy, and it sounds crap (unless you like that efect for boring dance music) Windows 11 Home - 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-12400 2.50 GHz -32GB RAM
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