Is DXi better with timing in OP?Moderators: Christophe, Mark
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Is DXi better with timing in OP?Just heard mention that DXi is the best way to go for precision plug in's in any host. Is there truth to that? I figured VST's and all were pretty good these days. Though I'm still having slight issues with my Music Lab guitars. Going to try out the DX versions, but I'm not holding my breath.
Is DXi better with timing in OP?I have no idea. But I am eager to hear any thoughts after trying out the DXi yourself.
Is DXi better with timing in OP?timing? timing of what exactly?
Is DXi better with timing in OP?The Music Lab guitars, which I use pretty extensively these days.
http://www.musiclab.com/ They used to work great in early OP (5 or so?) Then they got terribly messed up around v6. Rich and Jouni et al did a lot of work, and thankfully by 7 something, all was pretty well back to normal. But I'm still detecting little glitches here and there with strum patterns. Plays okay in OP, but streams oddly or vice versa. Music Lab is really Cakewalk oriented, and a friend who likes Cakewalk claims DXi the best way to go. So I'm not sure if Rich needs to tweek OP just a bit tighter, it's my system, it's the VST protocol, or what? It's 99.8% there, and I don't think DX is going to help any? Another thread about Emu's Proteus timing lag, Vicious Angel contends it's OP's fault - so I'm pretty confused.
Is DXi better with timing in OP?well, cakewalk are DX so to speak, so a VST version of whatever may be a bit iffy i guess..kinda like itunes on a pc, its never gonna be great (why would microsoft allow apple software to work flawlessly on their os???)
i dunno, i have never used a dx version of a synth myself (no automation), only dx fx (in soundforge) Last edited by machinist on Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Is DXi better with timing in OP?If i recall coreclty, DX plugins mess with the windows registry.Vst dont.
I dont need anything more to know that i will use only vst plugins. Edit: and found it "Cakewalk uses DX technology that is from Microsoft development". Emu1212m | Alesis micron | Edirol pcr500 | FOCAL CMS 50 | Senheiser hd 25-1 II | Core i7 etc
Is DXi better with timing in OP?Thanks guys. Apparently there's some kind of wrapper to allow VST's to work with Cakewalk, so I wonder what their response would be like?
I agree Machinist, I don't think it would be flawless - or it would cut down on sales of Cubase and the like. The freebie Synth1 VST came with a DX version as well, and weird in OP selecting presets in that only the DX version worked. But this was years ago, and I think fixed now/ Whether that was Synth1's makers faux pas, or OP got better along the way - I'm not sure? :confused:
Is DXi better with timing in OP?It might be true for Cakewalk products since VSTs need a special bridge for them to work whereas the DX's are more native. Weren't they developed in a collaboration between Cakewalk and Microshaft?
Is DXi better with timing in OP?well dll libraries like VST are written in "open code" so they can easy acessed from a lot of programs.
Sonar's adapter just scan the dll and creates a new DX plugin from it. If the vst dont pass the check of the sonar's adapter no DX will created. Sonar dont allow that just forstability issues. When i bought my midi controller (edirol) came with a version of sonar LE and installed to see what sonar is. I am not sure if this thing works like this but somehow thats the feeling it gave me. Last edited by Vicious_Angel on Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Emu1212m | Alesis micron | Edirol pcr500 | FOCAL CMS 50 | Senheiser hd 25-1 II | Core i7 etc
Is DXi better with timing in OP?The bridge was written by FXpansion and was called an adaptor, which to me makes it sound like there's something going on in between. I have to admit that I haven't a clue, just guessing
Is DXi better with timing in OP?Mark we were replying at the same time lol.
Cakewalk bought the technology from FXpansion. Before it was sold as a product if i am not wrong. Dx-> Effects Dxi -> Instruments Just like vst lol. Emu1212m | Alesis micron | Edirol pcr500 | FOCAL CMS 50 | Senheiser hd 25-1 II | Core i7 etc
Is DXi better with timing in OP?Interesting stuff guys. I'm still fooling with this other tune I'm working on, and not seeing much room for a guitar currently. But it sounds like there might be some truth to DX being more 'direct' when it comes to Microsoft environments? (pardon the pun)
Is DXi better with timing in OP?
some vst's do, depends on which company and which installer they use (?) some are just plain .dlls you can move around anywhere if you run 'regedit' and look you will prob find some reg entries for vsts's you have installed
Is DXi better with timing in OP?
No. Unless a VSTi is simply buggy, always use the VSTi rather than the DXi, as you get more features, most importantly precise parameter automation. It looks like DXi is going to disappear from the radar soon, anyways. Admin - Synapse Audio Software
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Is DXi better with timing in OP?Thanks Rich. That's what I figured. Just fooling with the Real Strat DXi, and couldn't detect any great changes in precision. The DX version might be ever so tighter - but is more unstable in OP when cueing back and foward. Get's thrown off bad, whereas the VST does realign itself better in other songs. And too, it does have a delay compensation. So maybe if I fooled with that a bit more, I might get better response with the VST.
Just nature of the beasts I guess? Quite different from hardware, where you have one make, one engine, one support. Software, you got a certain system, a certain host, a certain VST or DX, and so on. BTW - Music Lab's got a 'Real Gibson' now, hence why I'm after any type of timing improvement. The acoustic and strat are pretty decent in OP for me as they are, but really want to get grooving on that Gibson.
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