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Drum FillsHow do you put fills in your drum tracks? I use the Orion drum machines, but I need some fills! Some "human" fills! Thanks.
Drum FillsUse piano roll, here's some techniques i use in various combinations..
after placing notes, turn off the snap to grid and adjust drum hits manually. use groove template to add a slight swing (very low settings) and follow up with a humanize with low settings. Plenty of variation in velocity, visualizing how a drummer may play the notes. change division to 24 or 48 instead of 16 and play around with adding drum hits on that grid. consider the dramatic impact that playing less can sometimes have, as opposed to playing more. ..of course, lots of close listening to drums in music of a similar genre that I like. Last edited by V/M on Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
Drum Fillsyou can buy some midi file from http://www.groovemonkee.com/home/
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Drum FillsI wish I could play real drums still, it's really the best way to go.
But for dance music rolls, it's pretty simple. Just take a basic 4/4 beat of BD/SD that looks something like this on the 909 grid or in piano roll. (BD='X', SD='/', and rest = '-') X---/---X---/--- So for a big power roll, just fill in with SD on the 3rd bar onwards X---/---//////// And then if you want to get freaky and creative, try a rest or reinsert a BD in that power roll like this X---/---/-//X//// And too it helps to adjust velocity just so during these rolls. Some just 'ramp it' from say 70 to 127 Or you can maually make first note 127, next 55, next 100, then 75, then 110 and see how that sounds.. That's a pretty quick lesson, and doesn't always have to be between 3 and 4th bars. Some dance guys do a full measure or two of nothing but SD. But hopefully you can 'see the light' a little better now.
Drum FillsHi jweissman!
Try multilayered drum kits of Orion and, as it is mentioned here, work with the piano roll to get the best result.. In my song Kinda Funky there is some jazzy drum fills, especially in the middle part of the song. I tried to make the drum part of the song as human and jazzy as possible. The whole drum part is inputed manually with the mouse with varying velocities. Like Dungeon Studio stated here, the real human drummer always does vary his playing dynamically. The original sfs file of my song is here: http://koti.mbnet.fi/baroque/demoroom/ Kinda Funky by Boreal Experimental Orion 7.62 demo song (sfs/rar file size 5 mb) Last edited by baroquerion on Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Drum FillsB's the man for sure! Check his songs/tutorials out J, you'll learn a LOT from him. :smile3:
One other thing I should point out, and I think it applies to all styles and genres of music - a drummer can only do so much. Meaning, it's not always good to step enter a snare roll like I decribed AND leave the HH and OHH going as well. Some dance songs get away with it, but I find them cheap and cheesy myself. Whether you know drumming or not, you kinda have to think and visualise like a player. Sure, we can all trigger 10 things at once on a beatbox, Snares, Toms, Cymbals, Claps, etc. But could a real drummer actually play it? So keeping that in mind, I think it will yeild to good drum rolls in future. Last edited by Dungeon Studio on Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:28 am, edited 1 time in total.
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...or find them somewhere else... Last edited by banda NOVA on Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:38 am, edited 1 time in total.
Drum Fillsplease, no warez here
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ok. there is another good way to make drum fills - buy Groove Agent 3 from Steinberg for about 200 eurobucks or find Groove Agent 2 somewhere else... Sounds good, almost all genres, but need some tricks to extract that fills from internal sequencer.
Drum FillsTrue, and weird glitch plug's like dbGlitch, SmartElectronix, BazAudio Ultratrigger, and I'm sure many others. These though are mostly for what I call 'machine gun rolls'. And for dance/techno music sometimes that's all one needs.
Also can be acheived by mere sample length and sustain on certain samplers and beat boxes. To trim a sample precisely to a 1/4 note at 130BPM and just press and hold it for that 'tat-tat-tat-tat' roll. BD's as well. As to the MIDI files - yes, BUY any KeyFax and other makers goods. But also to back Banda Nova, many are free and legal on the net. AND - thousands of MIDI cover songs which can be used as well. As example (and I'm old, so forgive the analogies) you're working on a tune where you want this Led Zep/John Bonham or Keith Moon type of roll. Chances are many have 'covered' Whole Lotta Love and Baba O'Riley as GM MIDI files free to use and play. Simply extract Ch.10 drum parts, load up a OP Sampler with a good GM SF2 and select 'Rock Kit' and there you go. Or try a 'Techno Kit' for a new sound/style. And yes, some MIDI files are really lame, by people who should rather listen to the record still than attempt to make a cheesy version of it. But some are really talented, and spend months or years to get all the details 'just right' as best they can. And sometimes it's easy to fix or enhance even lame ones to be really good in OP too. And if all this is getting way beyond you J, I'll leave you with four words...'Craigs List - Drummer Wanted'.
Drum FillsYou guys are great, thanks so much! Never occurred to try pianoroll vu for the drum machine. I have Cakewalk Studio Instruments, and once it worked with a song, but somehow ceased sync-ing with the song, at least when I stop/start it manually--it has it's own console. I'll try to drag/drop a fill into the SI PianoRoll vu, and see ...
Again THANKS everyone!
Drum Fillsghost notes are you friend...as is manually sliding the notes around a few ticks
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Drum FillsKrim - you're responsible for all the basic 'Styles' in OP's rythem unit's? I think I already said kudo's a few times, but I'll say it again... Kudos. :respect:
So there's another idea as well J - you can open some of the DR 'Styles' and look at how some of the grooves and fills are made in them. Regardless of the sound, be they 808 ELectro or Gary Glitter Shuffle, just watching their notes in the grid should give you extra insight.
Drum FillsI was tempted to say 'Kiddy Diddler'... Regardless of his charges and all, he did make that rythem a trademark in music as much as Bo Diddler - Diddly - B. Diddy did with his.
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