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Madality "Free"In other word, it works EXACTLY the same way as audio recording does, except it is recording MIDI instead. The procedure is identical.
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Madality "Free"Oh, I was just wondering if Orion users would feel more comfortable with doing away with the 'Patern / Song' method. Would this attract new users? I have no idea!
Madality "Free"The Pattern/Song method is Orion.
Madality "Free"Good to know Hypna. So I misunderstood Rich then, So that lessens the fooling around as well, which is good.
Yes Blue Gene, I must admit I wasn't too happy when I first got OP and this 'Pattern' business. I know music is mainly repetitive, but coming from a line of workstations and little LCD sequencers - I didn't like the fact music was getting THAT simple. Of course, learning and harnassing the power of OP over the years, 'Pattern' really is the way to go, and linear has become quite secondary. And yet, OP keeps one 'unique' still. Whereas FL and Cubase et al users - they tend to sound like they're on FL or Cubase. Regardless if they're doing trance, hardstyle, folk, hip hop, whatever. Just something about the loops and plugs and assembly practices? You'd think it'd be more so with OP, but listening to the users music shared here - it's really diverse. And seems to know no limits. Just as a caution to what Bones suggests. OP can import/export MIDI fairly good. But it currently suffers from bad CC interpretation. I'm not sure about Export, but if Importing a track from Sonar or wherever that uses a lot of PB and Mod Wheel et al... They won't sound and/or look so hot (EVT) when played in OP. Fairly easy to tidy with snap line or pencil. But hopefully something that will be addressed in OP8 as well.
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Pattern/Song isn't what makes FL bloated though. If it was wouldn't Orion be bloated?
Madality "Free"I didn't mean to suggest that Orion is bloated because of the 'Pattern / Song' method. No. Orion is clean & powerful - it's great! I can't wait for 8!
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Explain. You're not making any sense. Last edited by Teksonik on Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:43 am, edited 1 time in total.
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No, I want to make MIDI recording in song mode pretty much like in the big sequencers such as Cubase. You hit record, a new pattern (clip in Cubase) is generated and extends its length automatically dependent on how long you record.
True. It's time though to brush up song mode for the times you do need linear sequencing, which is whenever you need to do (long) automations or MIDI recordings, that may only occur once in the entire project. Admin - Synapse Audio Software
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Madality "Free"Sorry I misunderstood you beforehand Rich. But good to know you're taking the 'iron' to it to smooth it all out. So Cubase utilises 'clips', but still has to come from the initial track then? IE; one has to load a drum VST, go boom-bang-boom-bang with it - then convert and/or copy/paste that for the length of the song? OP is so much better for making that initial groove I find. And the ability to assemble them in Song mode after couldn't be easier.
But one thing I hope will be addressed in OP8 is the MIDI CC transfer quality. I think with the assuridty of that being fixed, people may export to OP much more - and start giving up on Sonar or FL or Cubase et al.
Madality "Free"For that to happen, it would have to bring some structure into the MIDI file first, ie detect and create patterns automagically. Otherwise it's just a linear chunk of data that's impossible to efficiently work with- a problem I'm facing every time I import a longer MIDI part or song.
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Madality "Free"But other sequencers don't have the problem as bad as OP does, do they? It still boils down to numerical interpretation as much as note data would be. I can understand maybe not an 'exact' representation. But never understood why OP is so bad with CC/PB data from other sources?
Last edited by Dungeon Studio on Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Madality "Free"Did you choose a sufficiently high PPQ prior to import?
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Madality "Free"Ahh, so it's PPQ setting then? I believe I have it on a pretty high setting recently (780?). But I've seen it happen on just exporting a .MID from OP and a simple synth - say Wasp. Using PB sparingly and Mod controls. When I import the .MID to say Ultran, that PB especially is all over the place, and other CC controls have these spikes and things in them. Certainly not at all the way they were initially on Wasp. It should be replicatable by all.
Unless we can 'Select All' in EVT and can paste it verbatim to another VST's EVT area of same or different CC in OP8? But even then, I'd still be confused why the .MID aspect would be so erratic and unreliable? Last edited by Dungeon Studio on Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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