Good additive synths are big task to develop, also they are pretty unique, so expensive.
Kawai K5000, Camel Audio Cameleon 5000 and Alchemy, IL Morphine...
I had supposed Orion won't have one anytime soon, so I bought one in a discount offer from an aforementioned company.
I'm not rich either, but if someone is serious to have one, then working and saving up for it is needed.
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Additive Generator with Resynthesis!No it's not true Lance, the algo for generating an additive wavetable from an array of coefficient is quite easy. Once the wavetable generated it's just like any other wavetable that would be used by wavefusion or ultran .
Usually people are thinking additive synthesis is complex and recquire a lot of knowledge but it's wrong, most of the additive synth are processing just like I say: they generate a wavetable used by a common ( more or less common, I admit) rompler...
Additive Generator with Resynthesis!In fact as I master the technology it would be a pleasure to make one for synapse audio under certain conditions... , for me it's ok , I even have a fucking powerfull protection system to make plugs specific to an host...(try to crack super midi scripter id you dont believe...).
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Additive Generator with Resynthesis!I think Orion's got additive pretty nailed down with WaveFusion and Ultran. Then of course there's all the PPG emulators out there. But would be interesting to 'adopt' Yamaha's Realtime Convolution Modulation in a wavetable environment?
To reroute a secondary wavetable as Carrier or Modulator to the first (or vice versa) In Yamaha's SY's it was only good to use 'basic elements' like sine, square and tringular formed tones. So at best you were getting a pseudo attack transient, and very subtle modulation. But with digital wavetables, it could prove more fruitful in that the tones are more constant and could be more pronounced in their sustain as a mod? You think you could user 45a27? I'll drink to that if you could.
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But still, good additive synths are rare compared to subtractive ones. And to use them for only resynthesizing and playing back sounds in a rompler style are not their main strength for me. To create with them unique neverheard and morphing sounds, that's their real advantages.
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Those are not additive synths. :p
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I agree, although I like to use resynthesis as a starting point and then play around.
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I can. I totaly master additive synthesis. I've also been workin on multi stage eg based on exp functions...with my latest Adoppleren2 I've worked on a very lo cpu use lfo...I can make better than I.L Morphine or Kjaerhus Spectra...without any doubts...addditive oscillators are ready as I've already worked on a additive based FM groove box a few monthes ago...unfortunately I've never finished it as I had planned to make the gui only with some runtime-gdi based methods ( which is borrrrring as heeeelllll). Anyway the offer is done
Additive Generator with Resynthesis!Cool! Now I got to bundle up and go get a bottle of scotch, thanks to you. :superlol:
Not to say you have a 'fecal fetish', but you definately know your shit! Look foward to checking it out, keep us posted.
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What are RCM and LA? Why should these things be in UltranWMS in particular?
I don't understand that kind of attitude - why would you feel that you must have an additive synth in particular? I can understand finding a specific synth interesting and wanting that but I don't understand why you would feel you must have an additive synth. Most that I have used/own/built don;t do anything particularly impressive and are way too fiddly and are only useful because they also have a decent filter. As I said earlier, I'd rather use a Sampler to get those kinds of sounds. Anyway, to answer the more general question asked, I don't think it's a simple matter of working on this or that, I think Orion needs to be developed in a holistic way. Obviously, you would want to concentrate on Orion's core strengths, which I see as sound quality and workflow [in that order], but not to the exclusion of other, more peripheral aspects. MIDI is something Jouni has said several times he wants to get stuck into, but he seems to have disappeared in recent weeks/months, so he's probably busy with other things. Who knows when he will get time to get anything done. I don't think we need any new instruments as such, given that we have pretty much the best sounding things money can buy. But I think there is plenty of room for improving the existing instruments, as we have just seen with Wasp Mk V. A lot of the limitations of the native instruments are that there is little or no flexibility with signal or modulation routing. e.g. Each LFO in Wasp can only be assigned to a single destination. I'd also like to see pulse-width for each oscillator and modulation options for cross-mod [Ring and FM]. A Mod Matrix might be the way to improve things or maybe something a little less drastic, similar to how I do mod assignments in my synths. It is work that could be used in most of our generators that would make them all a lot more powerful. Dell G7 (Hexa-Core i7)|Cubase Pro 10||Analog Keys|Ultranova|MicroMonsta|Uno|Skulpt|Craft Synth 2.0|
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Additive Generator with Resynthesis!LA is Linear Alog..like the late 80's-early 90's Roland stuff....???
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It depends on what kind of music you want to make and what kind of sounds you want to have in your music. An additive synth can provide such sounds, which is neither subtractive synthetic, neither acoustic, but might seems both and it can be such, like an acoustic one, which still doesn't exist physically.
Additive Generator with Resynthesis!Close Krim - Linear Algorithmic as I recall. And RCM is 'Realtime Convoluted Modulation'. And to explain to Bones, it's really just an additional unique waveform source, and/or transient addition basically. In Roland and Yamaha's case, it was primarily to add a 'pick sound' or a 'sax breath' to make a FM sound more realistic.
But Yamaha took it a step further to have the characteristic's of a FM sound be fully modulated and enhanced by a sample waveform. Pretty basic on a SY77, but with a Musictronix board fitted in, or a SY99 - you could fit in longer modulating samples that could really give FM this infinate changing character. So it could be interesting in Ultran or Wavefusion to have a secondary .WAV input source to modulate some or all of the OSC's. It's subtle, but is defiantely different than a basic sine LFO at a slow speed and slight depth setting.
Additive Generator with Resynthesis!Sounds like both things were in response to Korg's AI synthesis, which used something they called "waveshaping" [not what we now think of as waveshaping] which introduced a second waveform at right-angles to the first to create complex waves. With lots of modulation control, it was a really useful form of synthesis. Unfortunately, after the O1/W, they pretty much hid it all away where you couldn't get at it anymore. Of all my old hardware, the O1/W is the only one I really miss because it did stuff that you just couldn't do with other forms of synthesis. If you listen to drDEATH on my DEATHLY QUIET! MySpace page, you can hear it being used to simulate a resonant filter with lots of velocity modulation. Every synth sound in that song is O1/W [drums are S3].
In my experience, additive is far more limited than other forms of synthesis, like FM. I just can't think of anything I might be able to do with an additive synth that I couldn't do another way. It is certainly valid to want particular sounds for a particular style of music or whatever, but additive in particular is something that I don't see as offering unique possibilities. Dell G7 (Hexa-Core i7)|Cubase Pro 10||Analog Keys|Ultranova|MicroMonsta|Uno|Skulpt|Craft Synth 2.0|
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Yes I'd rather they concentrate on Orion's workflow since I have a ton of synths already but then that's just my opinion. I could support working on additional synths if Vsti versions were included but not if they were Orion only Generators. Again just my opinion but you did ask the question..............
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