Hi
Please do not eat me if there is a workaround for this one. I have only owned Orion for a month and I know I have not been through all yet.
When I layer two synths, I can send them to a sub channel in the master section, for applying the same eq, chorus, comp ect. instead of having two mixing channels with identical amount of inserts with the same setting. Lets say a bass that I output to sub 3. However sub 3 will only send to the master bus, but I want to send it to sub 4 for applying a bassdrum-sidechained compressor before reaching the master bus.
Why bus 4? Because I can not apply the sidechained comp directly to the master because it will duck the bassdrum as well (the bassdrum will actually duck itself). In all I need the synthbass from sub 3 to go to sub 4 to be sidechained and the bassdrum directly to the master.
Why don't I just apply a side comp to sub 3? Because I want route other parts han just the bass to the comp and again its a question of avoiding many instances of the same eff with the same settings.
Now if I only I had the same possiblities for routing (m, 1 ,2, 3, 4) in the mastersection that I have in the mixer.
As such I would also like to be able to route the effects return to a sub before reaching the master for applying the same amount of for instance high- and low cut eq to all effects instead of inserting an eq on each return channel. More instances = slower work rate and more cpu (I am on a netbook 1,6 Ghz, so every % cpu power counts)
so what do you say?
All the Best
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Simple wish -Routing sub channels to sub channelsLast edited by Hskovlund on Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Simple wish -Routing sub channels to sub channelsIf I understand you right, it would require routing 'back' or 'forth' busses to other busses, or even feedback busses into themselves.
Stuff like that is only possible in analog mixers, and to some degree in modular systems. It doesn't work in virtual studios/DAWs, as the CPU consumption would dramatically increase. But anyways, I don't understand what you're trying to achieve in the first place. Routing bus 3 to 4 doesn't accomplish anything that you couldn't do in bus 3. Admin - Synapse Audio Software
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Simple wish -Routing sub channels to sub channels
No I do not want the busses to route to themselves, so if sub 3 was send to route to sub 3, nothing should really happen and it would go to the master. In Sonar I can set as many master subs as I like and route them any other sub besides themselves, for instance sub 1 to sub 2 and then sub 2 to master sub. Now about CPU consumptions I really thought that routing would be of much less consumption than applying for instance 3 instances of a compressor with identical setting to three different channels? All the best I understand your further question what to achieve and I have edited my post with this because I found out it was missing: "Why don't I just apply a side comp to sub 3? Because I want route other parts than just the bass to the comp and again its a question of avoiding many instances of the same eff with the same settings." Last edited by Hskovlund on Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Simple wish -Routing sub channels to sub channelsIf you want to 'copy' bus 3 to 4 and do some magic on bus 4, there's a better way to do it, it's the MultiFX container in 'parallel' mode.
If you want to 'send' bus 3 to 4 and make bus 3 inaudible in the process, I don't understand the purpose at all since nothing is accomplished other than having wasted a bus. Unless you added additional tracks on bus 4 that are not on bus 3- but here the workaround is trivial, you just do whatever you want to do on both busses. Maybe that is what you want, but note that this is NOT a cpu saver, especially in multi-core processing times we live in today. It's more of a show-stopper, since it forces everything to be done on a single core. Admin - Synapse Audio Software
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Simple wish -Routing sub channels to sub channels
Netbooks are usless for serious audio work. I guess (from mentioning "1.6 GHz"), that is an Atom processor. It's even crappier than an old Mobile Celeron with the same clock speed. Overpriced trendy garbage, it's good for surfing the net, nothing such work you describe.
Simple wish -Routing sub channels to sub channels
I am sorry but I do not think I understand how this will work. I will try to illustrate this way: synthbass 1 -> mixer ch 1 synthbass 2 -> mixer ch 2 Together these go to master sub channel 3 for exact same treatment of eq, chorus, spread ect. Leadsound -> mixer ch 3 Hihats -> mixer ch 4 pads -> mixer ch 5 These go to sub 4 to be gathered in a bassdrum sidechained comp Bassdrum -> goes to master bus and will therefore not be affected by the sidechain (ducking itself) Now look at synthbass 1 and 2. To get them sidechained I either have to route both of them to sub 4 to be affected by the SC-comp, but that means having two instances of the eq, chorus, spread ect as inserts on mixer ch 1 and 2 respectively or I will have two put them though their own sidechained compresser on sub 3. From a sonic perspective this last solution is bad because the idea with the sidechained comp is to have every part working together by routing them to the same comp, while the first solution might take up cpu because I have to copy many instances of the same effects. It not such a big deal, but since I am used to Sonars routings it is just not optimal as is. All the best
Simple wish -Routing sub channels to sub channels
No Lance. I am an experienced Win tweaker and I tell you my Medion Netbook works pretty fine. Especially with Orion. So far I have managed to have up to 6 generators going + 4-5 essential effects before even stumpling. I do not use if for anything else than music and mails. I can run Sonar 8 too, but of course not as effective as Orion. Here I have to bounce much more often. Edit: Make that 8 vsti, I just took a ride with 2 Wasps, 2 Wavefusion, 1 Sampler, 1 drumrack (4 sounds in action), 1 XR-909 (a bassdrum), 1 TomCat. Toxic 2 takes power from 1-3 of these depending on the preset. I had a Ultraverb as a return effect. The BD had an analog distortin as insert, then A BD-sidechained comp on bus 4 and a auto-leveling limiter + analog clipper + normal limiter on the master bus. Do not underestimate win-tweaking, it can be powerfull if you are willing to skip many other PC functions such as surfing and downloding (= less requirements for security and countless of network functions in windows) Last edited by Hskovlund on Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Simple wish -Routing sub channels to sub channels
OK thanks for clearing that up, note that this solution you propose is actually the best and fastest way, since it'll be executed in parallel on dualcore CPUs. It'll also save you a bus, that you free for other tasks this way. Admin - Synapse Audio Software
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OK. I'll guess I'll have to manage with this then. My intel Atom 1,6 is not a dual core but it has Hyper-Threading Technology and can as such take some small advantages of the multicore principles once in a while. However in contrast to Sonar 8, where this really is noticable to the extend that you tjeck the "multicore support" or not, it does not seem to have any effect with regard to Orion. However Orion can take much more Vst and Vtsi than Sonar on my system in general. All the Best and praise to Orion
Simple wish -Routing sub channels to sub channels
OK, I supposed from your first post a more complex and CPU intensive work. And how much that Medion Netbook was? €350?
Simple wish -Routing sub channels to sub channels
390 actually. Love it since I am on the run every day. Its for making music in the train. That I am forced to bounce often seems an advantage since I can can not go back and change the contents of tracks all the time. I did a little a test and pushed it further and have edited my first answer to you, if you are interested. All the Best
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