Hey all.
Today I was at a friends house and he was showing me a few new track he had made in reason.
In particular he showed me the Combinator. I wondering if something like this is already possible in Orion. If not do you think it could be a nice addition?
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Combinator kinda thing!I've no idea what this Combinator is about, read some small article about it, but from what I read, seems like a way to make multiple instruments play same notes, like Orion's "Receive MIDI From" does, and you can also share effects, much like Orion's Bus routing. Don't know about anything else.
If you could tell what you would do with it, there might be some better explanation, otherwise, for what it seems, it's just a waste of time even thinking about it. SoundCloud ::: Facebook
Combinator kinda thing!Here's a snip from Wikipedia.
Basically its a way to create a 'mega instrument'. I guess similar to the FX Holder but for instruments + effects.
Combinator kinda thing!What exactly is the purpose of this? Sounds to me like all of that you're already doing in Orion (well, don't know about playing soft/hard parts on the MIDI keyboard, as I don't have one), but really, what's the point of it?
Mega instrument.... if you ask me, the entire Orion is one mega instrument. Notes played together? Easy.... "Receive MIDI From"... Want shared effects? Bus routing. What else there is to it? SoundCloud ::: Facebook
Combinator kinda thing!Sounds like Templates which are supposed to be added to Orion ver 8.....I hope.
Combinator kinda thing!I guess you can see it as a Template... I still don't get this to understand what it really does, guess I'd had to see it to know that.
It also reminds me of that wish request someone made about grouping instruments' patterns into one group together, and when you lay one pattern all those instruments take part in it... Sounds like even more work than it's actually needed. First to patch up instruments/effects into that combinator, then laying them in the arrangement, where you can just have an instrument receive notes from another instrument (much much faster) and lay them in the playlist. And if you wanted shared effects, you can just put effects on the Bus and point instruments there. I honestly don't see what's so difficult about that to have a Combinator doing what you can already do the easy way. SoundCloud ::: Facebook
Combinator kinda thing!Combinator was new to last upgrade yeah?
We have been routing and building and saving setups like this in OP for years. Woo. ---=u f o=--- /Radiation Mutant / Snee-Nee-Iq
Combinator kinda thing!Oh so it can be done. Is there a tutorial on how to use busses, not really clues up on that part of production yet.
Combinator kinda thing!Ok, this is the point where I just have to ask.... have you read the manual? I know it's out dated now, but there's explanation for stuff like this. Read "Mixer" and "Master section" pages there.
Goddamnit... really need to be working on them manuals.... :hihi: Anyways.... in a nutshell.... That's the part of the mixer. On it, you can see a row that's labelled as "M 1 2 3 4". You can see that as your routing path. M is selected each time you put some new generator (instrument) in Orion, which means that the signal goes directly on the Master output. You can see that if you bring up the Master mixer (CTRL+B, B for Buses.... or View -> Master Section), and you'll see the sound going on the Master. You will see there mixer-like strips labelled as Return #1-4 (those are your Sends), Bus #1-4, and Master (which is the Master output, or the main out - everything you hear is on this) Now, if you turn off the M for the instrument on the mixer, and enable one of the 4 buses (those labelled as 1 2 3 and 4 on the mixer - look at the image above), the new path of the sound is then: Mixer strip -> Bus -> Master output. ---------------------------- Buses are subgroups, and if you look in the Manual you'll see it says...
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Combinator kinda thing!The combinator is useful in Reason because of the modular routing flexability. It makes an instrument chain with complex fx routing possible to recall with a few clicks, etc. It looks cool, but I think something like that is not really useful within Orion. There are some things that, because of the modular routing, can only be done in Reason. I'm not currently a big fan of Reason, but I understand why some people like it.
The fx containers within Orion are kind of like combinators for fx in a way. Also like mentioned above, the 'recieve midi from' option allows you to layer synths pretty easily. @ Hypna - what he's asking about is quite a bit different than busses or subgroups. I don't know if you've tried Reason out or not, but hitting tab in Reason flips the synths, fx, and mixers around so that you can route everything around just like using patch cables in the studio. This is where the combinator comes in handy. Say you have a synth pulled up and the right and left outs of the synth are going to different delay units, then to two different reverb units, etc. It could all be saved as a preset, and save you the time of having to repatch the cables in another project.
Combinator kinda thing!
I use templates all the time. I've got different templates for my guitar each with different Eq's Delays Fx etc . All I have to do is load up a template, it sets the audio or midi in/out, Loads up all the effects for that track, their presets etc all at once. Rather than manually creating each setup each time. Same with the RMV drum plugin........I have favorite kits that I can load from a template each with it's own effects/settings/routings. Saves a ton of time, really looking forward to this in Orion 8....................
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have you played around with reason much? it makes a lot of sense in THAT environment, where what it does is a function of the way reason works. it doesn't really translate to Orion, because Orion is a much different way of working.
Combinator kinda thing!The best Template in OP is 'Song'. But can't put a 'song' in a 'song' so to speak. So the template aspect is cool. I think a 'Combinator' on top of that would be kinda overkill with OP?
Combinator kinda thing!You still don't understand what a combinator is, download the reason demo(do they offer one?) and find out.
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I tried Reason years ago, version 2.5 if I still remember. It stayed installed on my computer whole 15 minutes before it burned out from my hard drive in all it's glory ( SHIFT+DEL.... oh yeah :hihi: ) I thought the generators and effects were decent, but one thing bugged me the most: sequencer I only mentioned Buses as a way to share same effects. Detailed description of the Buses followed when he asked how Buses are used. And I also said for instruments to play together, one can use "Receive MIDI From..." option.
I know what Templates are, I was referring to Combinator Can't say I use Templates that much, since I prefer to build arrangements from ground up, but they're good to have. Also use Merge sometimes, too.
Like I said, years ago, and I don't remember it had this Combinator back then.
Merge Puts a song in a song quite nicely :hihi:
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