playlist tab->show in mixerModerators: Christophe, Mark playlist tab->show in mixera really kick ass industrial group (well two) Razed in Black, Taktical Sekt. Check them out, Frickn awsome!!!!
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I hadn't heard that.. that's worth keeping an eye (and an ear) on.
playlist tab->show in mixeryeah it could be helpful. I donot like the idea of putting instruments in an effect container. Its pointless to me to make the mixer shorter because we work in completely different ways(as you described how you work in the skin post). However in the name for better organization and not to shorten the mixer, a modular or a user customizable segmented mixer is the way to go, that will work for both. Ie those who try to cascade and work and those who work with the mixer full on their face. I will talk about this modular idea later. you quoted my comment for totally another different thing. My workarounds are the most optimal functionally and also from programming point of view. If you have a linear list of variable items then you cannot have everything shown at once on the screen. You don’t need 20years to figure it out! However I now begin to understand the way you work and why it works for you and also why it will not work for me and other like me I don’t think orion is going to change the way you want it to be redone, so that should not be a criteria to forcefully reject feasible wishlist requests. As a programmer writing hi performance applications I can say that the "fat" feature in Wasp V is a lot more work than this simple feature request. This feature request is supposed to be only a 20min job. One can set/get the scrollbar positions using a single call to windows API! Last edited by suneel on Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:02 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Holy moly Jah Wobble on bass? Say it is so, the man is a true hero
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No you're not, or you would understand just how derivative FLA is and you'd find someone more credible to throw in my face. After all, it's all about your credibility, or lack thereof, isn't it? I don't even like FLA, they are one of the last bands I would want to sound like, although my bandmate's stuff often reminds me a lot of early FLA before I get hold of it [his favourite kick is sampled from Lurid Sensation]. I suppose it is a convenient comparison for the unenlightened though; better than Suicide Commando, at least. In any event, having just thrown 10 minutes of my life away listening to where you have moved on to, I'm more than happy to stay at a point where music was actually good and interesting. I have nothing to prove by trying to desperately scramble at the leading edge of a movement that is going nowhere. I mean seriously, are any of your pieces anything more than extended intros? But I'm not going to argue with you. You obviously feel that your ego has been dented somehow, but that's not my problem. I've offered solutions to problems all along, If people would rather martyr themselves than use an alternative, that's their choice. But when you try to suggest that using a plugin in a plugin host application is not an acceptable solution to a problem, it starts to reek of desperation, or show just how narrow your perspective really is [which is interesting, given that's what you are accusing me of.
Are you sure? I heard it was a later incarnation, with Lu from The Damned and someone else. No Jah Wobble or anything like that AFAIK. Probably Martin Atkins though, it's the sort of thing he'd be all over. That works for me, I was never into much of the early stuff but the last few albums were great. It's a shame John McGeoch is dead, he'd be my pick for guitar.
I think Rich and I approach the process in a very similar way. My idea of the perfect update is Rich doing exactly what he wants to do, and not listening to anyone else. Those have always been the best updates. When Rich does things for other people, he invariably does the minimum to shut people up, so we end up with half-arsed solutions like the way audio recording has been implemented and the way Automation Tracks are at the moment.
But now that it's done for one instrument, it probably just needs a big copy/paste into another, so I doubt it would be much more work than your request and it would be a helluva lot more useful. Dell G7 (Hexa-Core i7)|Cubase Pro 10||Analog Keys|Ultranova|MicroMonsta|Uno|Skulpt|Craft Synth 2.0|
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playlist tab->show in mixerso are you speaking for rich now or perhaps your actually Richards long lost twin brother? these are your personal opinions again and not Richards. If both of you shared the same opinion then there would be no AT's and orion would be version 3.0 and extinct. so obviously one can quite comfortably assume both of you DO NOT think in the same way. HA HA HA HA!! :superlol: what a ridiculous reply. Ok bones you have no clue what your talking about. Holy shit i guess thats how you work most of the time. Just talking some crap. I think you just like to go on and on, just for the heck of it. Once again, everyone read this line!! A line to remember. But now that it's done for one instrument, it probably just needs a big copy/paste into another, I have never seen a dumber explanation. FYI what you write in code for one instrument can be reused using the same function for all other instruments. Do you get it bones? If you use inheritance principles(which is a basic technique for a programmer), you just code the function in a 'base instrument' class and all the instruments of any type derived from the base class, will automatically inherit that property. I know your not a coder, but still you made that foolish comment, shows you where just trying to say something or the other for the heck of it.
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I`m not claiming credibility. I don`t make any claims about my music. I do it, I release it, on mine and others labels, I play it live. I don`t bother telling people they are wrong or whatever (except you, you are the exception, as your wrongness shines like a giant beacon of wrong), I`m secure in what I do, earning a good living from it, and having a blast. I`m not soo bitter I attack everyone asking for help or anyone who doesn`t work like me. However, why would I throw anyone more credible in your face. You aren`t imitating credible music, that`s my point entirely, thanks, you walk in the footsteps of derivative music. But at least FLA make and play successful industrial/ebm derivative music. Your still waiting for your big break cursing everyone because you just KNOW they are all idiots and your music is genius. Get over yourself, quit moaning and bitching at everyone and pull your head out of your ass and put some effort into your music. Or at least if you are gonna be in a covers band, do a good job of imitation. Last edited by voidloss on Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
playlist tab->show in mixerThere was a thread on side-line(one of the bigger industrial music forums on the net) the topic was:list the worst industrial bands you've ever heard. Guess who racked up the most votes. heh
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Oh, that's a drag then. A friend filled me in on the tidbit he heard somewhere. He's not up on PiL, but knew I was. He just said all the original members are getting back together. And then something about doing 'The Flowers Of Romance' properly - which is the BEST album of the 20th century IMHO. (cripes, and nearly 30 years old now!) So maybe just Lydon, Levine, Lee, and Atkins then? I don't think Johnny knew the signifigance of his words on that disc. Such a brilliant hommage to Sid and Siouxese and all, and traverses so much more. Levines work was so subtle, yet so phenominal as well. And Jeanette...? She made that cover a modern masterpiece in looks alone. Where did you see the news Krim?
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i heard it on the radio last week, the def said Jah was NOT doing the reunion thing...cant say for sure about the rest f the band tho. i was a bit of a fan myself at school... Windows 11 Home - 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-12400 2.50 GHz -32GB RAM
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playlist tab->show in mixerThanks Krim. I was definately into them up until Levine left/got the boot. I never got into 'Rise' and all after, but respected Lydon for making PiL 'fashionable' and successful just to stick it up Maclarens ass for a larf.
Has anyone here checked out Lydon's 'solo CD' yet? I thought Billy Idol fucked up with that Neromancer crap. But apparently Johnny went total techno on his. No one bothered to mention to him he was starting to act like David Bowie sucking off Trent Reznor. :superlol: Let's all go to YouTube and watch the Tom Snyder interview. (I've done bad interviews in past - but that one wins them all! )
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Is sideline magazine still going? I used to read that mag many yars ago.
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bwahhh I checked this out No Jah Wobble on the tour, bummer.
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But you clearly feel your credibility is being called into question somehow, given the personal attack you launched out of the blue.
I don't why you would think I was bitter at all. I've achieved an order of magnitude more with our music than I could ever have imagined. I'm very grateful and I think we have been incredibly lucky, a lot of artists with more talent than us work just as hard and never get the opportunities we've had. That doesn't make me any more inclined to put up with idiots.
All music is derivative, it is possibly the greatest part of it's appeal. But there is always room for anyone to explore any genre, no matter how done to death it may seem. Rock, for example, has been explored more than any other genre in the past 50 years but still manages to find new relevance and maintain it's place at the head of the pack. bands like the Offspring and Green Day, for example, may be standing on the shoulders of giants but they still have something of their own to add to it, which is why they do well. Everything has been done, anyone who thinks they are doing something new and unique is simply showing their ignorance. The reason someone might think that what they are doing has never been done before is because others who have done it saw it for the rubbish it was, and moved on to something else. The desire to be seen as innovative and different simply shows a lack of self-confidence and a desperate need to prove one;s worth. It's not something I suffer from. We don't care what's modern or popular or anything else, we just want to make the kind of music we like to make and listen to. We try to stay true to that and if other people want to come along for the ride, that's all to the good. I would never want to be in your position, where I had to rely on music for my income. It is a recipe for compromise that I can happily work with as a graphic artist but I would never want to have to compromise like that with our music. That is not to suggest that you are put in a similar position but what we want to do is clearly not commercially viable. We've played with all the biggest acts in the genre and none of them enjoy the same lifestyle I do. Sure, the top tier make a reasonable living but none of them are driving around in a brand new $50,000 car, nor do any of them own a yacht or anything else that is important to me. It's a lifestyle choice and I'm confident I made the right one.
I think you'll find it's the highly derivative Deleriium stuff that they get by on, which is about as far from EBM/Industrial as electronic music gets. Given the world-wide success they have enjoyed through that, I'm sure Bill Leeb can afford whatever kind of car or yacht he wants. Good luck to him, I would never want to be in his position.
Our big break came in 1999 when I met our manager. Everything that has happened since has been as a result of that [see above for the extent of it]. I made the conscious decision more than 20 years ago that I did not want to be a full-time musician and I've had that decision reinforced almost every time I have spoken to anyone with a measure of success in our genre since. Those who choose to make a living from music become mercenary and need to get paid for every little thing they do. Which is perfectly understandable but does put a lot of people off. They get a reputation for being greedy or for not wanting to help other less successful acts. Either that or they become shameless self-promoters who are always trying to exploit every opportunity to the max. Angelspit are a good example of that, they have achieved more than we have but have burned a lot of bridges in the process. The result is they have as many people who hate them as like them. We're never going to push our music, we just make it and leave it to others to put it out there.
I'm confident we put in far more effort than anyone else here. I just want Orion to get better, not to become mired in useless toys and bogged down by woeful workflow, the way FL has. Those guys have just put in everything that their users asked for and the result is a nightmare. Is that really what you want Orion to become? Dell G7 (Hexa-Core i7)|Cubase Pro 10||Analog Keys|Ultranova|MicroMonsta|Uno|Skulpt|Craft Synth 2.0|
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