Dune 2.5 - Cubase overload CPU

[zafir]

A greeting at all, i need your help to figure out why cubase shows the saturated CPU overload indicator when i use Dune VST.
The composition is difficult because the software crashes or clicks.

My setup:

Windows 10 64Bit
Intel I7 3,6
Ram 8GB
HD: SSD
VGA: Nvidea 770
MB: Asus z87 deluxe

Cubase 8.5 Pro 64bit
Motu 828 mk3, buffer 512

Thanks so much!

[Teksonik]

I've seen this issue mentioned before (I don't own Cubase so don't pay much attention). If I remember correctly the solution is to turn off Dune 2's Multi Threading.

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[zafir]

Now it's better. This vst is great, but I think it should better manage the might of new CPUs. However, clicks do not feel anymore, but when come it the Dune track, the Cubase indicator covers almost the overload. For this reason I believe that developers should make an effort and better manage the CPU.
Thanks for you support!

[Kriminal]

Now it's better. This vst is great, but I think it should better manage the might of new CPUs. However, clicks do not feel anymore, but when come it the Dune track, the Cubase indicator covers almost the overload. For this reason I believe that developers should make an effort and better manage the CPU.
Thanks for you support!

It handles CPU fine, its cubarse that is the problem. It doesnt like multi threading vsts.

[zafir]

I would agree with you if I had a generalized problem with all vst but this is not the case: only Dune created this problem.
So for me it is Dune who runs the CPU badly. There is no story. I'm sorry.

PS:
If the problem it's Steinberg I write to Steinberg but for now it does not seem to be that way.

[HYPNAGOGIA]

I would agree with you if I had a generalized problem with all vst but this is not the case: only Dune created this problem.
So for me it is Dune who runs the CPU badly. There is no story. I'm sorry.

PS:
If the problem it's Steinberg I write to Steinberg but for now it does not seem to be that way.

Since you're so easy to dismiss any potential causes, by your logic, just as same, if DUNE2 doesn't have any problems with other hosts, it must be a problem with Cubase. End of story. Right?

Instead of dismissing so easily, maybe you should also try running DUNE2 with same settings in a different host and see if the problem persists. If it does, then yes, it's problem with plugin and Synapse should definitely look into it.
If not, well, then maybe consider doing that PS thing you wrote

[Teksonik]

A lot of people own DUNE 2. Only a few of them complain about CPU....coincidentally those people use Cubase. No problems with CPU here on multiple systems and DAWs....but then I don't use Cubase.

[Touch The Universe]

If Cubase also behaves the same with Lush-101 or any of the uhe synths, all of which use the similar multi-threading, then I think its safe to say its more of a cubase issue and to give Dune 2 a bit of slack

[zafir]

The logic is clear but should not be the final user to do tests but the builder; from me it works like this: when a user buys the software and complains of an anomaly, the first thing to do is to verify that exact condition because the user often sees us well.
I will try to contact you Cubase but I remind you that the VST technologic was produced by Steinberg. I also believe that Cubase, born on Germana in 1989, is more than reliable in managing the approach to the CPU. I do not even think about installing another DAW and testing. It's not my job.

[Teksonik]

The problem is with Cubase and there's nothing Synapse can do about it. Contact Steinberg Support and explain the situation.

[ThehakkeMadman]

I don't own Dune (but Cubase). Since it looks like Cubase is the only DAW having that issue, it would be a bad idea to disable cpu multi threating by default but this issue should be mentioned somewhere people would notice... if thats not the case already, you know what I mean
@zafir
since you mentioned that VST was invented by Steinberg: sadly that doesn't mean that Cubase has to handle VSTs perfectly (or better than other DAWs). I own a Microsoft Keyboard (Sidewinder X4) and a few months ago I learned that there's an issue which was a little surprising to me (Microsoft Keyboard + Microsoft Windows =has to be working perfectly... NOT)
And most of the other DAWS supported vst side-chaining but Cubase added that feature (VST!) very late... I'm still asking: why?!

[zafir]

I don't own Dune (but Cubase). Since it looks like Cubase is the only DAW having that issue, it would be a bad idea to disable cpu multi threating by default but this issue should be mentioned somewhere people would notice... if thats not the case already, you know what I mean

I see. I wrote in the Steinberg forum but it seems that the admin does not want to publish it. Steinberg, however, for optimize DAW, suggests disabling MT from bios. I did it but nothing changed. I think that in my case the guidance made available by Steinberg to optimize is useless. I read on the DUNE manual I will try to retouch the Present and see if anything changes.

[Richard]

Other than DUNE 2, there is very popular multi-threaded plugins like Diva, Kontakt and others. Unless they run flawlessly in MT mode while Dune does not, it probably is a Cubase issue. That said it runs fine here (Windows 8, Cubase 8.5 64-bit).

What I recommend in general is to fully optimize the PC for audio, e.g. by making sure your Anti-Virus package is audio-friendly (some packages eat way too much CPU), by checking your energy saving settings and making sure the CPU performance is set to 100%, by getting rid of background services you do not need, etc. This is really important for multi-threaded plugins, because multi-threaded plugins are less forgiving about any flaws in the system.

Richard

[ThehakkeMadman]

I tested the Dune 2 demo with Cubase 8.5 (32+64bit) and I had no such issues, no matter if MT was switched ON/OFF
Since my PC setup is similar to zafir's PC (Intel i7 3770k, Z77 mainboard, SSD, nvidia card, Windows 10 Pro 64bit) I'm now curious why Dune2 runs smootly with Cubase on my system... at 48khz and 128 buffer size (TC Studio Konnekt 48)
I'd try some BIOS/UEFI tweaking since the Asus Z87 Deluxe has a lot of options. "disabling MT from bios" means Hyper-Threading, I guess? I have HT enabled and never, ever had to disable it. Even overclocking and energy saving (cpu idle) is enabled.
Or maybe it has to do with Cubase' configuration itself? ASIO guard, audio priority or something like that...?

[Christophe]

or with Cubase 9 ?