From Orion to?

[bones]

I came from Fruityloops to Orion. What I didn't like about Fruity was the convoluted workflow. It has just had a complete redesign so maybe it's not so bad any more but in the year or so I was using it I never managed to get a single song working. OTOH, in the first three months I had Orion I managed to port over more than a dozen songs from my hardware setup.

[funky koval]

It's still convoluted. It has to ditch it's drum sample player underpinnings.

[DaZoid]

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Ableton, I'd say.

[heks]

I have had a cut down version of Ableton since forever to try out and kept updated it, but somehow its never, "felt right" for me. I suppose we are all different and "one size does not fit all" can easily be applied to DAW's.

[bones]

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Ableton, I'd say.

I think Ableton is very specifically a dance music tool and is built around the ability to do things I would never, ever want to do. Specifically, that is arranging on the fly. I rehearse a set dozens of times before we get up on stage. Our arrangements remain constant - we always try and deliver the best possible version of every song, not the one we feel like throwing out (and away) on any particular night. We work on the assumption that people are there to hear us, not that we are there to play for them. For that reason I would never consider Ableton.

[Kriminal]

It does run here, so i dont even have the choice

[Christophe]

I think Ableton is very specifically a dance music tool and is built around the ability to do things I would never, ever want to do. Specifically, that is arranging on the fly. I rehearse a set dozens of times before we get up on stage. Our arrangements remain constant - we always try and deliver the best possible version of every song, not the one we feel like throwing out (and away) on any particular night. We work on the assumption that people are there to hear us, not that we are there to play for them. For that reason I would never consider Ableton.

Arranging on the fly is one of the possibilities of Ableton, but you can use ableton like you want
my collaborator don't use the session mode at all

[knechtodawas]

My personal favourite as new DAW is Reaper. I played around with all the configuration stuff and I achieved to "Orionish" things:

- I changed the behaviour of the Piano Roll to Orion style (left click insert note, left drag move note/change length, right click delete note, I even added to buttons to change between draw mode and select mode like in Orion ).

- I added pretty basic pattern mechanism by abusing the media bay and changing some of the internal actions. So a left click in the arrangement window inserts a "pattern" from the media bay.

You can see what I mean in this animated gif:
http://knechtodawas.de/Orion.gif

So if I change to another DAW one day it may be Reaper .

[funky koval]

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Ableton, I'd say.

I think Ableton is very specifically a dance music tool and is built around the ability to do things I would never, ever want to do. Specifically, that is arranging on the fly. I rehearse a set dozens of times before we get up on stage. Our arrangements remain constant - we always try and deliver the best possible version of every song, not the one we feel like throwing out (and away) on any particular night. We work on the assumption that people are there to hear us, not that we are there to play for them. For that reason I would never consider Ableton.

No idea where you got the idea that Orion is targeted at a different group than Live. They're pretty much the same in concept, clip(pattern based) sequencers with the ability to drop and modify the patterns in a playlist. So Live lets you trigger clips from a grid controller. Orion could do the same if pattern triggering was implemented.

[dmassive]

knechtodawas, ¿could you export your keymaps and piano roll custom toolbar config, and upload to this forum?

[Mark]

knechtodawas, ¿could you export your keymaps and piano roll custom toolbar config, and upload to this forum?

No, he can't upload that to this forum

[bones]

Arranging on the fly is one of the possibilities of Ableton, but you can use ableton like you want
my collaborator don't use the session mode at all

Yes, but it is a core concept behind the architecture of the application. It would be like using Orion without with the Mixer. If I were ever to replace Orion, it would absolutely have to be with something else equally mixer-centric, pattern based or otherwise.

[Christophe]

If I were ever to replace Orion, it would absolutely have to be with something else equally mixer-centric, pattern based or otherwise.

it doesn't exist

[bones]

Which is precisely why I will stick with Orion for the foreseeable future.

No idea where you got the idea that Orion is targeted at a different group than Live. They're pretty much the same in concept, clip(pattern based) sequencers with the ability to drop and modify the patterns in a playlist. So Live lets you trigger clips from a grid controller. Orion could do the same if pattern triggering was implemented.

That's not how I see Orion at all. Orion to me is a Mixer-centric sequencer, the only one I have ever encountered. As I said, that it is pattern based doesn't matter at all, it's the fact the Mixer is at the centre of the workflow, which makes it feel like working with hardware in a real studio, that appeals to me. It allows me to leverage the 20 or so years I had been creating music before I moved to software much more than the other applications I tried (Fruityloops, Cubase, pre-Sonar Cakewalk and EnergyXT).

[funky koval]

I still don't get what makes Orion's mixer so special. It was the pattern bank per device workflow that made it unique. Every other DAW, except maybe Traction, has a mixer with volume faders, pan, sends and inserts. Graphically they might be represented a little differently but functionally they're almost all exactly the same.