Polyphonic Aftertouch!

[Teksonik]

It's really not a silly request. LOTS of people use it... just maybe not everyone here. And since it's on older synthesizers, it's not really a question of IF someone can control it, but WHO can. Dune 2 could definitely benefit from it.

My Ensoniq VFX has Poly AT. I've never spent enough time with it to develop the technique to apply different pressure on different fingers in any reliable musical way. I'm not opposed to Poly AT in DUNE 2 but I doubt it's something I'd use much.

[Cinebient]

Still would love to try this with Dune 2. Playing Dune 2 like Animoog would be a wet dream
Of course we can´t have everything!
Edit: With the Roli Seaboard Rise (i will get one) it could be very usable!

[stubbsonic]

MIDI only provides three per-note controllers. Note-On Velocity, Note-Off Velocity, and Polyphonic Aftertouch. I.e., through your playing you can set a value for the start of each note, change values throughout the sustain of each note, and set final value for the end. It's a pretty good system.

Dune 2 only responds to Note-On velocity. The manual justifies Dune 2's lack of Poly AT response by saying that those keyboards are rare, and that may be so. Some newer controllers are now providing 3 dynamic controls per note, X (horizontal), Y (vertical) and Z (poly AT pressure); the MIDI spec only provides for one polyphonic control stream (Poly AT). I don't know if a new MIDI spec will expand that to Poly AT A, B, C, etc.

Keyboards with release velocity are not rare. My last keyboard (Roland A-70), and my next keyboard (VAX MIDI) both transmit release velocity, which I like to use to control release time, and volume/cutoff of release. And my reason for buying the VAX MIDI is for the poly AT (and other great features).

But regardless of whether a keyboard is capable of transmitting poly AT or release velocity, most DAWs will let you use those control values/streams via editing.

Synapse Audio should add release velocity to the source list immediately. And if Poly AT can be added, it should be.

[Kriminal]

RV and AT/CP are of no interest here. Synapse should not add them immediately

[drakmaniso]

I don't know if a new MIDI spec will expand that to Poly AT A, B, C, etc.

Midi MPE (Multidimensional Polyphonic Expression) is (very) slowly taking form, but is still a moving target AFAIK. There's already a few controllers (and DAWs) that can take advantage of it (e.g. Roli's Seaboard, Roger Linn's Linnstrument and a few others), but it's always riskier for a developer to be an "early adopter" of proposed standards, as there's always the possibility that they won't gain enough traction to become relevant (and profitable).

I think it's safe to say there's a push toward more expressiveness in electronic instruments, so IMHO supporting poly-aftertouch would be a nice idea (and could be a first step for MPE). I would certainly love seeing that in Dune! But it's possible that would conflict with some optimizations in the engine? In anyway it would be heavier on the CPU, so this should probably be an advanced option, like the audio rate modulation setting...

[stubbsonic]

I REALLY would like to see RELEASE VELOCITY supported-- as it couldn't be that big of a hit on CPU since it is just a static value. And the ability to scale release times with release velocity is very intuitive and nice to play with.

Also, if you have a voice that is triggered on KEY-UP, which I think Dune 2 can do, then you could control the volume/filter of that key-up note (the same way you can with the key-down notes).

[zerocrossing]

I'd like to revisit this request. Poly AT would be super sweet, but MPE support would be even nicer. If you've not played a Roli yet, I highly recommend it. The first time to touched mine I thought, "Ah! This is the way it should have always been."

[zerocrossing]

8 voices of Legend sure is sweet... maybe even sweeter if it accepted poly pressure!

[Richard]

Legend has MPE support, so you can have poly pressure easily e.g. via the Timbre controller (CC74).
Choose Timbre as a source in the mod matrix on the back panel, then Volume, Filter or Env Amt as a destination.

[bones]

I'd like to revisit this request. Poly AT would be super sweet, but MPE support would be even nicer. If you've not played a Roli yet, I highly recommend it. The first time to touched mine I thought, "Ah! This is the way it should have always been."

Absolutely but that has almost nothing to do with MPE support, it's all in the "five degrees of touch". I use mine exclusively in normal MIDI mode and it still gives me all the same intuitive control I get in MPE mode.

[zerocrossing]

Legend has MPE support, so you can have poly pressure easily e.g. via the Timbre controller (CC74).
Choose Timbre as a source in the mod matrix on the back panel, then Volume, Filter or Env Amt as a destination.

Now that Native Instruments has their Kontrols and Korg has its Keystage with polyphonic aftertouch, I think it's even more important than ever.

[Richard]

MIDI Polyphonic aftertouch has been added to DUNE 3 a long time ago, and additionally MPE is supported since v3.6 released recently. So in fact both ways to get polyphonic aftertouch are now supported