Similar Krim, but that is a "phrase synth". He wants a "phrase sampler".
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New SamplerA little off there Krim. MW's found the right thing with his example. Very similar to the DR really. You can feed in say a whole mess of BPM loops and riffs off sample CD's and what all, and arrange them by all at measure 1 to go for 128 length. The beats and riffs aren't bad, and say you got a female vocal singing 'Are you looking for a good time, baby?' But say on the second pass in Song you want the gal to go 'Looking for a good time, b-b-b-baby' This is where phrase sampling comes into play, as you can immediately focus on that voice sample, lasso the 'ba' portion and copy it directly onto the 16ths in the measure - without affecting the original sample! And you can make those effects of 'skip intros' where the bass riff sounds like it's on a broken record, and then the drums start behaving the same, and then kicks into a big fresh pattern.
It was pretty sweet on my Roland SP-808, 16 pads (actually 16x16) for up to a half hours worth of samples on 100MB Zip disk. You could 'play' the pads like you would triggering samples on a keyboard with DR. But where the 808 shined was it had a 4 track sequencer to arrange and manipulate these pads, So track 1 would be your stereo 44.1k drumloops. Plop those in x4, and on the last you could grab the last bar or two and copy it ahead for a 'rerun roll' as I called them. Track 2 would be bass riff samples let's say. Track 3 synth riffs, and track 4 vocal bits. Cut breaks in anything, chop and manipulate all tracks simultaneously, or individually. So some very BIG and exciting beats, grooves, and entire songs could be done just on those 4 tracks and 16 or more loaded sample pads on the side. The Akai MPC kinda started it, though it was pretty tough to work with 'phrases' per say, but spawned the hip-hop revolution for those that knew how to work it. (I just used it like the DR whenever I was in a studio with one) The SP-808 was serious balls when I came across it - but mired in that it used Zip disks, SCSI drives and had some management issues. Edirol has an almost identical one called the A1 if I recall and had a built in HD. It was marketed as a 'audio montage unit for video work'. My days of trying to be Daft Punk or Aphex Twin are gone now. But a good phrase sampler still has it's merits. Easier than working Audio Track, that's for sure!
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Again, this doesn't seem to do anything we cannot already do in Orion. And you can't use the "if you don;t like it, you don't have to use it" philosophy because if development time is put into one thing it means that other things, that more people might prefer to have, don't get done until later.
dblue Glitch is a free effect - knock yourself out - http://illformed.org/blog/glitch/ Dell G7 (Hexa-Core i7)|Cubase Pro 10||Analog Keys|Ultranova|MicroMonsta|Uno|Skulpt|Craft Synth 2.0|
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New SamplerGlitch is pretty stellar, that is true! But again, it only concentrates and mangles on only the given feed. One can't throw a clip in of a porn moan or machine gun fire to give the listener a jolt with. If Glitch had .WAV insert, and could work and edit it into it's time line - that would be better than the SP808 to a certain degree.
New SamplerIts probably not worth it if its not approved by bones. oh well, at least I tried. I'll go knock myself out somewhere else with something else! cheers!
New SamplerThat is only true because I think Rich and I think along the same lines most of the time. I can guaranteee you that he doesn't listen to me any more than he does anyone else.
What's stopping you throwing a .wav file into a Sampler or a DrumRack and adding it into the mix? That's what I was talking about in my first response - Orion is my resynthesis engine and is the perfect place to build complexity into an arrangement. Dell G7 (Hexa-Core i7)|Cubase Pro 10||Analog Keys|Ultranova|MicroMonsta|Uno|Skulpt|Craft Synth 2.0|
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New SamplerI was waiting for it! And then you have to contend with another generator, another .osp, another note plaecement, another fader, etc. If Glitch could incorporate a simple .WAV, then it's with the effect and with the sound. Just that quick burst of unusualness that doesn't need to be fancy - a machine gun from a old Sound FX record, a friend burping, a nasty ring mod snippet. All you have to do then is trigger the Insert on at certain points, and the synth track goes 'chop-chop-chop-big flange-tape stop-burp' per say. Or with another setting on Glitch make it 'bu-bu-bu-burp-Bit Crush-Tape Stop-urp-urp-urp' and so on. (Not that I'd go out of my way to use a burp sample - but you never know?) But it's that type of visual arranging that could be done in Glitch, OP's Audio Track, and hopefully this MOTU thing MW's shown. Near impossible to introduce DR or Sampler to work alongside Glitch and/or do those tasks fully on their own easily.
The beauty of tape and a razor blade. Goes back to 'musique concrete' up to Aphex Twin - and somehow I don't think you're a fan of either Bones.
New SamplerSteinberg are adding a new sampler... http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/mu ... res_1.html
Would be great to see Orion keep up with something similar. Maybe something with a similar layout and banks to an Akai Mpc/Mpd.
New SamplerKeep up? Orion can do this stuff since 10 years and better as well. A virtual pad is just eye-candy and serves no purpose, you can't even see the beat.
The MPC is a very simple 12-bit sampler/sequencer with no features (by todays' standards), it's just as obsolete as the Akai S1000 and similar sample-based devices that were famous 20 years ago. There's also several VSTi clones already, I think even free. The MPC has velocity-sensitive touch pads though, which is largely the reason it's so popular. Admin - Synapse Audio Software
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Orion's DrumRack is much better than those two toys together.
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I could actually see the former being useful if the waveform is shown in the background of the space where the Program/Layer/Sample info is shown, if it also shades the waveform with the Start point and amp envelope... The latter is already there, though. /.e Phreque.com - Weapons-Grade Awesome.
New SamplerWell, like I said MW - I don't think many are going to understand. Keep us posted if you do score that MOTU device. And in the meantime, there's some great samplers that are somewhat in the vein of the old MPC's and Rolands here;
http://andreas.smartelectronix.com/index.php?nav=1 Slifty and Splonki are nice, but a little bit buggy last I used them.
New Samplermw simply did not really work with the sampler as you could see from his 'nice to have list'.
mw just start working with the sampler in a real, ambitious project and you will see that it's a pretty good peace of program. I think you just have no clue and never really worked with Orion intensively neither you have a deep understanding of how to produce music. Last edited by DaZoid on Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:02 am, edited 1 time in total.
New SamplerI meant no offense by saying "keep up" as if Orion is behind. I meant keep up with the trends. A little eye candy can go a long way. And just laying things out differently can cause you to work in a different way. The akai pads are everywhere and if Orion had something laid out in a similar way, it would combine two great tools. As a note I own Cubase SL3 and choose to use Orion more.
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