Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song positionModerators: Christophe, Mark
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Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song positionCurrently the LFOs in Dune can be either triggered or free running. Please could you implement the option for the LFOs' waveform phase to be locked to the song position. For example, such an option is available in Massive using the "Pos" switch in it's LFO sections. I can get past the restriction by using plugins like LFO Tool but it would be great if this feature was part of Dune. I am quite suprised that I can't find anyone else requesting this. Loving Dune though!
Re: Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song positionThere is Sync button on each LFO, and Rate defines the speed at which it syncs, if that's what you're looking for.
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Re: Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song positionBut none of the lfos in Dune automatically sync their phase to the host. I am not refering to the rate of the lfo - which I have set to SYNC but the phase of the lfo. I want the phase to start on every beat no matter where I start the song from and no matter when I trigger the synth. None of the lfos in Dune do this. FabFilter Twin 2, for example, can automatically sync the phase of it's lfos to the host so that, no matter where you start the song from and no matter when the synth is triggered, the lfo will always start it's phase at the start of every beat of the host.
Lets say, for example, I have a simple, trance like "four to the floor" 4/4 beat and I want to create a synth lead sound who's volume is at "0" (so no volume) when the kick drum comes in and is at "127" (at it's loudest) when the kick drum is off. So I might use a square wave, with a 1/4 lfo speed. I don't want the lfo to restart whenever I press a midi key to trigger the synth as I always want the synths volume "0" (so no volume) when the kick drum comes in and at "127" (at it's loudest) when the kick drum is off, no matter when I trigger the synth. This creates that typical gated affect where the synth sounds like it is gated by the kick. So, if you followed my example and used FabFilter Twin 2 to create that typical gated affect where the synth sounds like it is gated by the kick, you know that, no matter where you start the song from and no matter when the synth is triggered, you will get that typical gated affect where the synth is gated perfectly in time with the kick drum by the lfo. There is no way to do this with Dune using any of it's lfos.
Re: Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song positionLFO phase is a parameter in the modulation matrix.
Re: Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song positionAh, I get it now. As Mark said, it's in the ModMatrix.
You can set it to something like: Const -> +50 -> LFO1 Phase for a 50% phase shift SoundCloud ::: Facebook
Re: Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song positionalso be sure that Reset is turned off.
Re: Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song positionBut setting the Const value to LFO1 Phase for phase shift in the ModMatrix will not sync the LFO phase to the song position. Try this:-
Click play on your DAW. Switch on the DAW's metronome. Set an lfo in Dune to pulse wave. Modulate Volume in the ModMatrix with this pulse wave lfo. Now try and get this lfo to sync in time with the metronome, so that the lfo raises to it's maximum point when the metronome sounds, regardless of when you trigger Dune. I can't find a way to do this in Dune. FabFilter's Twin Two vsti, for example, can do this. From the Twin Two guide:- Sync mode The Sync switch chooses between arbitrary frequency settings and synchronizing with the tempo and song position of the plug-in host. You can either synchronize in straight mode, dotted mode (resulting in a frequency that is one and a half times that of straight synchronization) or triplets mode (resulting in two/thirds of the straight frequency). The important phrase is:- The Sync switch chooses between arbitrary frequency settings and synchronizing with the tempo and song position of the plug-in host. So Twin Two can sync with the tempo AND song position of the plug-in host. Hope that makes sense. This is one of those situations where it is much easier to see what I mean if you were sitting next to me rather than to trying to explain it in text.(headbutting wall smilie inserted here!)
Re: Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song position
Try this: - LFO1 to Pulse - LFO1 Sync and Reset on - LFO1 Rate = 1/4 - LFO1 Skew = 50% - MM: LFO1 -> +100 -> Volume - To make it sound "off beat" add this in MM next line: Const -> +50 -> LFO1 Phase SoundCloud ::: Facebook
Re: Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song position
But with your method, HYPNAGOGIA, you are retrggering the lfo as you have Reset on. I don't want to retrigger the lfo. I want the lfo to sync in time with the metronome, so that the lfo raises to it's maximum point when the metronome sounds, regardless of when you trigger Dune. Try it for yourself with Dune - see if you can get the lfo to sync in time with the metronome, so that the lfo raises to it's maximum point when the metronome sounds, regardless of when you trigger Dune.
Re: Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song positionThis might help explain what I mean:-
In your DAW you can use automation to control the filter cutoff in Dune. For example, you can use automation to create a filter sweep where the filter cutoff is raised smoothly from minimum to maximum over the length of half a bar and then back down, from maximum to minimum smoothly over the next half a bar. Copy and paste this automation across your entire track. Without using Dune's lfos to modulate filter cutoff, you now have smooth filter cutoff rising and falling in the same pattern across each bar of the track regardless of when you actually trigger Dune. I cannot find a way to create this same effect using Dune's lfos but this can be done using the lfos in FabFilter's Twin2 and NI's Massive. At the moment I am using the rather wonderful LFO Tool plugin to send midi data to Dune to control it. You can create LFO patterns and the LFO phase can be locked to the song position.
Re: Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song position
Like it matters. Turn the Reset off then, set Const -> 0 -> LFO1 Phase in MM, and you'll get it synced.
That can be done. Use the Sine wave for LFO, Sync on, Rate at 1/1, Skew 50%, and in MM you assign whatever it is you want to affect with it, in addition to tempering with the Phase. I'm not quite sure now without hearing, but there's a chance the Sine wave starts from 0 (middle point), so if you want a nice sweep from the bottom to top, I think you'll have to set Phase to 75, if I'm not mistaking. SoundCloud ::: Facebook
Re: Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song position
Please try it HYPNAGOGIA. Turn the Reset off, set Const -> 0 -> LFO1 Phase in MM, and you will not get it synced in time with the metronome, so that the lfo raises to it's maximum point when the metronome sounds, regardless of when you trigger Dune. Turn the Reset on, set Const -> 0 -> LFO1 Phase in MM, and you will not get it synced in time with the metronome, so that the lfo raises to it's maximum point when the metronome sounds, regardless of when you trigger Dune. Imagine that the metronome is actually the bass drum - I am using the metronome as it is quick and easy. Now you want Dune to produce a sound that has an lfo modulating it's volume so that it drops when the metronome sounds and peaks when the metronome does not sound - regardless of when you actually trigger Dune to produce the sound. As far as I can tell, this cannot be done in Dune.
That can be done. Use the Sine wave for LFO, Sync on, Rate at 1/1, Skew 50%, and in MM you assign whatever it is you want to affect with it, in addition to tempering with the Phase. I'm not quite sure now without hearing, but there's a chance the Sine wave starts from 0 (middle point), so if you want a nice sweep from the bottom to top, I think you'll have to set Phase to 75, if I'm not mistaking.[/quote] Your example will not do what I want. It will trigger the phase of the LFO to start whenever I trigger Dune with a key on. So the phase of the LFO will not rise and fall as I explained I wanted over the period of one bar (from my paragraph:- you now have smooth filter cutoff rising and falling in the same pattern across each bar of the track regardless of when you actually trigger Dune) Massive and Twin2 have LFOs who's phases can be synced to the host so that it can be done. Dune doesn't seem to have any way to do this. Like I said, this is one of those occasions where it is very tricky to explain what is meant in text!
Re: Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song positioncan you post an orion song ?
or live 8 or reaper or energyXT ? maybe it's a bug, because i can't imagine what can't be done with Dune Yamaha CS-30, Roland SH-1, Roland MKS70, Focusrite Scarlett 18i6, Yamaha FS1R, Oberheim Matrix 1000, Novation Remote 37SL, Korg Legacy, Alesis M1Active 520, Novation Launchpad Pro, Push2, Intel i7-7700HQ
Re: Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song position@OP, I know what you mean. I'll e-mail Richard to see if anything can be done.
Edit: Out of interest, which host are you using?
Re: Feature request:- LFO phase locked to song positionwhat is your lfo tool plugin ?
Yamaha CS-30, Roland SH-1, Roland MKS70, Focusrite Scarlett 18i6, Yamaha FS1R, Oberheim Matrix 1000, Novation Remote 37SL, Korg Legacy, Alesis M1Active 520, Novation Launchpad Pro, Push2, Intel i7-7700HQ
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