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Mark wrote:I think the forum is very lucky to have such passionate people as yourself who believe in Richard's project and who look to ways to help him improve it and/or try to apply the brakes when they think it's going the wrong way. As long as that is all done with an air of respect for everyone else then cool <-This is a general point and not directed at you personally Tek
Teksonik wrote:Mark wrote:I think the forum is very lucky to have such passionate people as yourself who believe in Richard's project and who look to ways to help him improve it and/or try to apply the brakes when they think it's going the wrong way. As long as that is all done with an air of respect for everyone else then cool <-This is a general point and not directed at you personally Tek
Please don't mistake my passion for aggression in this case. Even though Bones and I have butted heads for over a decade I still love and respect the grouchy old bastard.....Sometimes I want to choke him out but I don't think the Orion Nation would be the same without him and no one can deny he has contributed a great deal of resources........
Teksonik wrote:Like I said above I'm willing to beta test the concept on my laptop although I'm not going to break 8.5 on my studio computer. I believe once the concept saw the light of day it's flaws would become obvious and the idea would be dropped like a hot potato...and in the end if the concept is implemented it won't take Orion even one small step forward......
Mark wrote:Teksonik wrote:Like I said above I'm willing to beta test the concept on my laptop although I'm not going to break 8.5 on my studio computer. I believe once the concept saw the light of day it's flaws would become obvious and the idea would be dropped like a hot potato...and in the end if the concept is implemented it won't take Orion even one small step forward......
If the concept is implemented in some form in a public release it will be because it works. If it doesn't work it will go the same way as other ideas that have failed. So really nothing to worry about afaics.
mattox wrote:I like the idea of having a huge repository of patterns that I've made over the years that is easily and quickly accessible; you never know when one could come back into play and be interesting.
But when it comes down to it; if there is 1 pattern per generator, 1000 patterns per generator, no global patterns, global patterns its not going to stop me making music.
Teksonik wrote:A Global Pattern bank in addition to Orion's current Pattern Per Generator method might be a compromise but Rich has already said he doesn't think it would work....
bones wrote:Teksonik wrote:A Global Pattern bank in addition to Orion's current Pattern Per Generator method might be a compromise but Rich has already said he doesn't think it would work....
This is now the 4th or 5th time I've asked you or Lance - how do you think this would work and what would the advantages of it be?
DivinEviL616 wrote:Now, so I don't become guilty of derailment.....here's a suggestion brought to you by the Association of Peaceful Relations Between Water Foul and Their Gun Toting Mammalian Overlords
cuppa wrote:would it be interesting to just keep the whole pattern thing as it is on the generators, no changes needed,
but instead make some changes to the playlist so that you can freely copy patterns between the different generators like is usually done in more traditional sequencers ?
mattox wrote:How about having the current system stay the same for people who don't want any change, but add the ability to add a pattern into a global pattern bank, use tags to group patterns into a logical structure.
Teksonik wrote:No, it's you who don't understand what a mess your idea would create and have obviously not thought it through properly.......and you're simply not seeing anything.....if you did this idea would have died on the Beta forums....
Ironically that was exactly what I was going to say about you......
you've left too many unanswered questions and made too many assumptions that your idea is even possible or practical to implement.
If he decides to implement such a system I'm willing to beta test it on my laptop but will not install it on my main music computer. I'll simply keep using 8.5 and it's wonderful Pattern Per Generator workflow......
Teksonik wrote:I'm simply defending Orion's workflow as we've all seen Bones do time after time over the years......In my opinion Global patterns are a bad idea as presented no matter who presented it.......
ccarrieres wrote:i prefer to use receive midi from or copy paste and transpose method
Lance wrote:It shows some really cannot think through how many little and cardinal things it would change from the pattern selector to the way of finding, selecting and putting patterns into the Playlist.
Lance wrote:Let it be instead a floating window or onside (on/off optional) media pool/browser to drag and drop stuff from and into it. Then it could be used even as a global pattern pool via e.g. dropping patterns into the Playlist. That would be something, and it wouldn't be only for MIDI/patterns but for audio, loops, presets, templates, mixer settings, automation patterns etc.
Teksonik wrote:No nothing to worry about I just don't want to test a private beta of this concept on my studio computer.
bones wrote:So you are suggesting something you don't think is a workable idea? One of your key points was that global patterns would be a waste of dev time but you're happy to suggest something else that even you think is a waste of time. Do you expect that to improve your credibility?
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