PLEASE REDESIGN THE ARPEGIATOR....

[fjcoloma]

For such a beast synth like Dune its incredible how complicated the arp is....from my point of view the only "BUT" to the synth.
It looks like the old 8bit trackers for my Amiga computer....

Thanks

Javier

[Kriminal]

its not strctly an ARP, in the traditional sense, its more a sequencer

i agree it could be a lot easier to program, it can be a pain sometimes going thru all the notes, but then again i never use it much, so it doesnt bother me really.

i think its strong point is its complexity, but thats could also be its downfall for some.

[Teksonik]

I have long asked for a traditional Arp to added to Dune along with the built in Sequencer.........

[Lance]

For such a beast synth like Dune its incredible how complicated the arp is...

It isn't complicated for me.

But you have to be balanced when you use it much (for example use it for modulation source or gating). The piano roll of your sequencer is much more suitable and convenient for a lot of things what you try to do in an arpeggiator.

[Teksonik]

is much more suitable and convenient for a lot of things what you try to do in an arpeggiator.

Not when you want to play an instrument from a midi controller. Dune doesn't have an Arp it has a Sequencer.........

Rich's reasoning for not including a traditional Arp in Dune is that most hosts have a built in Arp. But then again most hosts have a built in Sequencer yet one was included in Dune.........

Sure you can use the host's built in Arp or a third party plugin but then you can't include those in a Dune patch.....

[Lance]

Well, DUNE's arpeggiator is called an Arpeggiator, Arp. It was Rich who gave this name to it. It has 7 modes: Chord, Duophonic, Dynamic, Modulation, Simple, One Shot and Voice 2/4/6/8!

And it has several possibilites to shape your arpeggios; Steps, Rate, Length, Swing, Sync. Such power house crammed into a small screen area cannot be simple for a novice user! What do you want? To simplify it or make it even more complex? DUNE is a flag ship product, a high end modern synth, it won't be shipped with a too simple arp/sequencer/whatever.

If you can't play DUNE's Arp with a MIDI keyboard, that's user error. If you can't program fine arpeggios with it, that's user error too. DUNE isn't for synth noobs to program.

You can call it to whatever as you wish, but it does what it does and powerful and complex enough at that. From the first post it seems, that's the problem.

[Kriminal]

Well, DUNE's arpeggiator is called an Arpeggiator, Arp. It was Rich who gave this name to it. It has 7 modes: Chord, Duophonic, Dynamic, Modulation, Simple, One Shot and Voice 2/4/6/8!

Rich is wrong then, its not an ARP, its a Sequencer

you dont have to program an ARP, you press keys and it plays, you have to program the 'ARP' notes into Dune before it will play.

[Teksonik]

If you can't play DUNE's Arp with a MIDI keyboard, that's user error. If you can't program fine arpeggios with it, that's user error too. DUNE isn't for synth noobs to program.

Ahhh yes right to the condescending insults Lance. Your trademark.....

First of all you need to learn the difference between a real Arp and a Sequencer. Then come back and we'll talk. I played my first Arp somewhere around 1985 and I've loved them ever since. They are as Kriminal so rightfully pointed out to be played like an instrument. No matter how hard you try, Dune's sequencer can not be played like a traditional Arp. It has nothing to do with "user error" but then you'd know that if you actually understood what a true Arp is....

No one is asking for DUNE's sequencer to be replaced or simplified in any way. I would just like to see a true Arp included with traditional Up, Down, Up/Down, As Played, etc Modes.....

[Mark]

[Kriminal]

i dont believe that track used an ARP Mark....

[Lance]

If you can't play DUNE's Arp with a MIDI keyboard, that's user error. If you can't program fine arpeggios with it, that's user error too. DUNE isn't for synth noobs to program.

Ahhh yes right to the condescending insults Lance. Your trademark.....

I used the "you" as in general, for only those who can't play the Arp with their MIDI keyboard. The same with the Arp programming. That's why I added the "DUNE isn't for synth noobs" line.

It wasn't directed to you, neither to anyone specificly, just went out in general, containing my general opinion about this subject. That's why it wasn't a Reply to anyone.

No need to overreact it by anyone.

[Richard]

I think we'll go for a more graphical sequencer in our next plugin- or MIDI Import, which may be even faster as you can sequence directly from your DAW's piano roll. I don't mind the current way in Dune though, some stuff is quite efficient to do, like setting velocities or tie. Furthermore it allows setting special parameters not available when using a MIDI clip- required by the Dynamic Mode in Dune, and potential future extensions like Accent or Slide.

About tracking, it's actually extremely fast and flexible when using the keyboard- but we can't rely on the keyboard input to get through, so we had to use the mouse, which is admittedly much slower.

[Mark]

i dont believe that track used an ARP Mark....

You're right, my bad. It was a Moog Modular, wasn't it?

[Christophe]

you're right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popcorn_%28instrumental%29
love that song by the way

[Teksonik]

those who can't play the Arp with their MIDI keyboard.

You can't play Dune's sequencer like a true Arp.....has nothing to do with "noobs"......