Ok.... today, I've been trying a few things with audio tracks
Sorry, but selecting parts is very tricky
- I ended up with the wrong parts seletcted all the time
- mouse buttons didnt work as I expected them to
- at times, audio within a box would slide around
- It was difficult to zoom on the right areas.
It was VERY unintuitive just to simply copy and paste a loop from within a larger audio file.
I've put this as a bug, because quite simply I was really disappointed by how hard it was to work with audio - which is something I've not done for a while.
Anyone who thinks this is fine, should try using Acid, or watch this with Ableton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU5Dn-Wa ... er&list=UL
For me, the only thing really would be to Rewire to another sequencer, which I think's sad - I'd love more people to want to use Orion
Audio track manipulationModerators: Christophe, Mark
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Re: Audio track manipulationIt didn't occur to you to maybe ask people around here about it before jumping to express your disappointment?
Quite frankly, I can't see one thing you could have been struggling with... unless you don't know how to do it. Now, before you think I'm being downright aggressive and mean and rude and whatnot, trust me, I'm not trying to be. But, as a beta member, I do have to inspect how things behave when something is posted in the Bugs section, so it's kind of wasting time when there's practically nothing to be inspected, yet you still have to check it. As for your disappointment, there is a cure in a form of few tips and observations.
Disable snapping on the bottom right side of Playlist. That way it will select only the things that are within the selection square and nothing else. Tip: use CTRL+LMB to easily select things (works with audio, notes and patterns) without having to switch between pen and lasso tools.
Not understanding this one without more explanation. What's do you do, what do you expect to happen and what's happening instead?
Couldn't reproduce that here. Have more info on this one?
Zooming to play cursor might help with that. Just center the play cursor where you want to zoom. Tip: SHIFT+CTRL+MW = H-zoom
It's actually quite easy to get around Orion, providing your keyboard isn't tucked away somewhere in an inaccessible place, like the back of your desk. If you have it right in front of you, using keyboard and mouse combination makes every operation much, much easier. For instance, your particular disappointment is based on the lack of easy way to do operations. I say bullocks Copying and pasting couldn't have been done easier than it is. All you need is a magical CTRL button and your mouse, nothing else. Holding a CTRL key, you can make a selection, and while it's still pressed, just move it to where you want a copy of it, and it makes a copy of the selection for you. It is that easy. You don't need excessive mouse clicking on various icons to get the job done. SoundCloud ::: Facebook
Re: Audio track manipulationThanks for your reply and comments
Ok, I'm testing it again 1. I've inserted a 3-min wav I've pressed - to fully zoom out, but I cannot see the end of the wav and the slider is fully expanded I cannot zoom any further out to see the end of the audio chunk Only once I start resizing the LHS does the view expand for me to see the full thing {maybe this is deliberate for some reason} 2 'Disable snapping on the bottom right side of Playlist. That way it will select only the things that are within the selection square and nothing else.' ah, that's maybe why it was doing that then I've always liked Orion's intuitiveness, so it bugs me when things arent that way 3. Right click has a bunch of options - why not have copy and paste in there? 4. 'Copying and pasting couldn't have been done easier than it is' have you tried other I have copied sections of the audio (wav) and can see them in the playlist, but when the transport passes over them, they have no sound I have no idea why - they look exactly like other slices. re-saving and opening again seemed to fix it though 6 'at times, audio within a box would slide around' that must be the scroll aspect then? 7. holding r-click and dragging across an audio block makes it blue Not sure what this does I can select part of a block in blue copy and pasting this just seems to copy some other part and puts it in a random place 8. I can only set the transport marker to ends of grid lines, not starting midway? 9 Is there any way to change the spacing of the drid - ie. more /less lines - I cant seem to find it For me, the grid box at the bottom right does nothing in the playlist?? 10. when you bring one audio part over another, it isnt at all clear which is playing?? The first until the next comes in? where is the join line? Is there any cross-fade? etc Seriously, if you think I'm wrong, please have a go with something like Acid. I know Orion isnt meant to be acid, but it just shows how much nicer audio handling could be I also think that editing multitrack audio parts is SO much easier with on-screen envelopes, rather than Orion's that are tucked away in another window
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Oh, that. That's been there for a while now, and has been mentioned in the beta forum. We're hoping for a fix to that as well. Though it's weird - sometimes it works as it should (like right now here), and shows the entire audio in the playlist when zooming out.
Don't see the reason not to have it, though it's not up to me.
Orion makes a weird residual slice sometimes when moving around parts of audio, no one knows when it will happen or why. It's represented as a really narrow line on the playlist, visible only when you zoom in. It's been noticed that when a play cursor comes to such part, it stops audio for some reason. Unsolved mystery, I guess.
I can't tell, I haven't observed anything like that happening here. We need more info about it, some sort of specifics how to reproduce it.
From what I can see here, holding R-click and dragging does nothing. Holding CTRL+L-click makes it blue (selected).
Orion doesn't have smaller measures than 1 bar, so yes, not possible to have it go midway.
It does something. First box is for snapping - so anything can snap to smaller measures than 1 bar, which allows you to snap to 1/2 of a bar if you need to place something that starts at the middle of the bar block, for example. You can also use Shift key to move patterns/audio freely. The second one is only for highlighting vertical lines. Default is every 4th line, but you can have it to highlight ever bar, or whatever you like.
Orion's audio manipulation isn't ideal. It cannot be compared to that of Acid, for sure, which was originally meant to deal with loops only (early versions of Acid didn't have VST support) so it needed to have a very good audio support - pitchshifting and timestretching included. So, to put that in the context of Orion, no, there's no such thing as crossfade. If you place things one over the other, it will play them right in that order - what you placed last over the other will get played first, without crossfading, which can make it make pop sound if the "cuts" aren't anywhere near zero-crossing, just like normal audio played in the editor. One thing to keep in mind is that Orion isn't classified as a DAW, it's a SSW - Soft-Synth Workstation. Even with limited capabilities of audio manipulation, it's still a bonus.
I come from Acid, so I know what you're talking about. Some time ago, when there was a discussion about envelopes or possibilities about enhancing the automation system, I've presented how Acid does it, both recording the automations or editing them. Spline-based system was the biggest favor in that discussion, but seems to be too complex to do and just drew other questions about the complexity of the nodes during recording. I quite like how Acid has it done - very smart and quite intuitive, auto-removes the unnecessary nodes to fit the desired curve, and while having the functionality of splines, the interpolation options you get when your right-click the line is more than enough to get what you want. SoundCloud ::: Facebook
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I don´t use this, in that way, because as far as I remember, this not work well. CTRL+LMB only works if you click on empty spaces in playlist. If you click over a pattern this will be dragged, in my opinion, that is not a reasonable behavior. "Pleeease, bring back ORION!"
Re: Audio track manipulationAn even less reasonable behavior would be to accidentally start deleting stuff you need. Lesser of two evils, as they say, it's up to you to pick which one it is.
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In the final 8.5 release the playlist will make use of the song/loop length setting. That way the zoom/scroll range in the playlist can be customized, should this problem occur. Additionally I increased the scroll buffer to +16 bars, starting from the end of the last pattern or last audio clip. Admin - Synapse Audio Software
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Re: Audio track manipulationSeems I also have this problem, - unable to zoom out further than the first 28 bars. I'm not using audio, it's all MIDI VST / generators. Somewhat annoying not being able to zoom out further, or select the whole track for export..
Was about to submit the .sfs file, but seems it is a known bug...
Re: Audio track manipulationThanks for comments HYPNAGOGIA etc
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