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Live FeatureHey again folk,
I just found that you can use 2 instances of Orion if you want to mix 2 tracks. You just have to disable the multi-core engine. Cheers
Live FeatureIf you really want to change patterns on the fly, you could work
with STYLES and create the folder structure according to your life set. AFAIK ORION reacts to Program Changes according to the folder structure in the presets folder, so if you make an folder called 0_liveset ( or similar that the folder is the firs in the folder structure ) the included styles should be switched on PgChange 0-127. I will make some deeper test now and revert if it worx as expected.
Live Featurejust ried and unfortunately the styles don't work, so please forget the method i mentioned.
it worked with pre 7.6 i'm sure.
Live FeatureThere hasn't been any changes to the preset system or anything in 7.6, just that presets and styles moved into the documents folder.
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Live Featuremade some additional test :
changing the style manually with the up arrows work and change the pattern data. pressing the down button crashes Orion ( ??? ) changing the style with Pchange change the parameters but not the pattern data ( tested with tomcat )
Live FeatureI still have nightmares about Ableton! :schock: I always found OP to be my 'Brian Wilson' production house, and friends talked me into checking out Ableton (4 I think it was?) Some neat features on it - but the interface and knowing where everything was and why. To me, it was THE WORST. And in a 'live situation', I don't know how anyone manages with Ableton? I know Bones uses OP a lot for his live stuff, and manages it well from what I've heard and seen (unless Krim's compiled a 'Novakill Blooper Reel' I don't know about? )
As much as I pitied Kraftwerk for having to take their entire 'studio' with them on tour in the 80's - I suppose I could take my 'studio' out on stage a little more easily these days.
Live FeatureSteven, Ableton isn't difficult at all, you just have to be a little patient at the beginning, becouse it is not like orion with more features. It's plain diferent, other thing.
After some arguments here about Live Sets, and pointed out by some of this forum's users I prepared a gig with Ableton Live. All of my songs were done in orion and I had to port all of them to the new host. Thank god (and propellerheads) I could use rewire to transfer the audio. It was some work but not as much as I thought. I could do a lot of things with audio in Live like chopping parts, adding effects, ported some of the synth tracks by reconstructing the midi clips (patterns in orion) and loading the same vst. The only downside was that I couldnt tweak orion synth lines in the show, becouse I didn't want to compromise and use rewire up there The gig was fine, people got a good time and told me the sound was excellent. But most of them were friends, so maybe not too objective.
Live FeatureWell I am amazed Javier. And maybe I was looking to hard at Ableton on the 'production side'? It's got some neat features, like the 'tighten loop' which is really amazing. But I only did it the once, after following some 20 odd steps - and was amazed. But to go back and try to even vaguely remember how I did it was impossible. For the time it took to read and execute all the steps, I could correct 3 loops in WaveLab... Maybe not as good as Ableton. But then if someone's got that many shitty played sample loops on hand - they shouldn't be in music to begin with. :rolleyes:
Maybe one of these days I'll peak over someones shoulder at a gig using Ableton and be re-impressed.
Live FeatureFor a start all my songs happened to be at the same bpm, so I didn't have to fight with timestretch or something like that. It was very easy, once everything was audo or midi clips in Live, just like a game. Indeed you could say Live is a great toy, which people manages to use for some serious things too.
When peaking over someones shoulder be careful, becouse many people this days downloads some comercial loops and mixes them one after another and they say they're doing music. My set had some fixed guidelines, but beside that there was a great room for performance changes and even some improvisation. Last edited by JavierRubio on Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Live FeatureI hear you on that Javier. I turned down jobs using Reason and Garageband just for those reasons. I don't mind using a sample as inspiration, or ties together something, or makes for a nutty version... But the other 97% should definately be my own doing if I'm going to call it MY song.
And yet if these 'loopers' came across a Sound Ideas 'ready made music and soundtrack' library fpr TV/Film - they'd vomit and say that's the most lame music and sound effects, and puts musicians out of work. Go figure? :rolleyes:
Live FeatureBeen looking at Sound Ideas website and seems what they put out of work are graphic designers, for the cd covers I mean.
And I don't know what's worse, those loopers that at least are something close to a dj or those others, who sit behind the laptop so focused on what they're doing and so little reactive to the sound that could perfectly be playing Quake or browsing the web in front of the audience.
Live FeatureThat's true too. So many urge me to go live, but I'd want to put on a show for the audience at least. I'd hate to sit on a stage with my laptop screen between me and the audience. Though I did think about a 'office set' at one point, and just come on stage like I was going to work. Hang up my jacket, sit at a Office Depot desk, press the space bar on Orion to start playing, get up and have a coffee over by the coffee maker, leaf through the calender on the wall, make phone calls. As a 'performance art' thing, that'd be good for maybe 10 minutes before the boo's and rotten vegetables start.
Say what you will about Novakill and their music, but it's nice Bones and his buddy put a little 'something' into their show. For me, I'd want dancing girls and huge video screens and laser lights, and just be Ron Sparks in a distant unlit corner. You've seen the cost of those Sound Idea pro packages? I've been to a few BIG TV stations that couldn't afford the complete set. So I'm sure the graphics is 'lunch money' for those guys.
Live FeatureInteresting performance concept. I don't see what the issue is, though. I treat my PC exactly the same way I used to treat my hardware sequencers - they replace the backing band. No-one thinks of Mick Jagger or Bono or Brian Ferry as second-rate performers because all they do is sing on stage. It's a simple matter of deciding on roles. In our case, I'm the front-man who plays a bit of lead, Sik is the percussionist and my PC is the rest of the rhythm section. Everyone has their defined roles and we all get on with it. The fact that the rhythm section is dead-boring to watch [you wouldn't even know they were there if you couldn't hear them] simply means that Sik and I have to put more effort in.
For all that effort, and it sounds like it was a huge effort, what were you able to do on stage that you couldn't have with Orion? Dell G7 (Hexa-Core i7)|Cubase Pro 10||Analog Keys|Ultranova|MicroMonsta|Uno|Skulpt|Craft Synth 2.0|
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Live FeatureNot so huge, 2 days of preparing the saples by rendering from orion and re-arranging on Live (thing that I enjoyed a lot), and some more days of practicing and adjusting things.
The issue was that I wanted to concentrate on the music and the performance, and didn't want to be loading songs one after another. I also wanted the soundstream to be continuous, so I played with my songs until I saw how coul they be matched with the next one. I've seen some live shows in electronic music and people really listen carefully till the last note, and more in my show, where most of the audience were musicians too. So things I could do: -Having all my 10 songs for the set in one file loaded and ready to perform. -Control all the triggering (and I mean all) from my midi controllers -Leave the main synths, the more dynamic ones, inserted and playable via my controllers. -I inserted some effects which transformed the sound from subtly to radically, and played with them during all show. And doing all the preparation in Live was fun, it's very easy and fast to load a wav clip, chop it (non destructive), loop whatever parts you want and so on . So it was composing the music in Orion. And I can understand bone's way of doing his shows, I've discussed this with him some times. I like Depeche Mode, Nitzer Ebb and similar bands, and enjoy their performances. I think the important is if you're reached by the music. Oh and I watched those Novakill clips in youtube, seems fine to me. Not my favorite music ever, but you really seem to be into it.
Live FeatureOh and I was merging songs in live very naturally, just drag and drop a file into the clip view, and everything is there (except for the send effects).
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