Why, yes it is.
You can time stretch it too, just like you can generator patterns, ie the note sheet. Of course, if you want to stretch it in just one place, you'll have to copy it to a new pattern first. Changes done to one affect all of them.
Seriously guys, you didn't know about this? Maybe I already said too much.... Blabbermouth... yeah, don't trust me to keep corporate secrets... lol :hihi:
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envelopes over tracks for parameter controlBTW, to check out what I am on about, you can download the demo version of Anamark at
http://www.mark-henning.de/files/anamdemo.exe Go to the Vol/FX tab and do Shift-Right Click between two points on the Volume Envelope line to bring up the curve tool. Also note how you can specify the exact y value of a point on the line with the "Value" field to the right of the envelope. Last edited by borion on Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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envelopes over tracks for parameter controlHypna - in your picture examples then as they're 16 steps/1 measure long, lets say I wanted just the first 8 steps of that square fade in as an example, but then the full 16 after. So in the playlist I would want 8-8-8-16 under the generator. Is that possible? I maybe wouldn't want it THAT tight, but say your examples were 2 measures or 32 steps in length - would that be easier in that case? 1-1-1-2 so to speak?
Awesome if possible.
envelopes over tracks for parameter controlWell, as we all know, Orion's pattern system in the playlist doesn't go under 16 steps, since if you make an 8 steps pattern, it plays it twice (16 steps), so to make it 8, for example, you have to overlap patterns to get the real 8 steps pattern.
Automation Track patterns can be of any length, just like any other generator... 16, 32, 64, 256... 1276... so it's not limited to any number of steps. I did it with 16 to make it smaller so it would fit on the forum :hihi: while maintaining some visibility of what's going on there. Zooming out would just make it all cluttered, and you'd hardly see anything. Ok, so let me see if I understood your example, while trying to recreate it in the editor at the same time. Don't mind that it says "Channel 1 (Volume)", it really can be anything you can imagine automating. So, Let's put a square wave, with each pulse on every 2nd step. The frequency of the pulses can be any, controlled by the Speed control, while being synchronized at the same time... or not, as you wish. And for fun, let's say we don't want to dump all the way those even steps (every 2nd). So you get this: This will basically be the pattern #2, only full 16 steps/1 measure. It's just a matter of re-applying the LFO tool on the second. Or working on 16 steps pattern #1, copy/paste to #2, and then just going back to #1, cutting it to 8 step length and continue to work there. So, applying some LFO moduations to pattern #1, namely Fade In, you get this: Moreover, for the fun, and not making it all going like fading in, then sudden drop just to start fading in again and so for 4 times in a row, let's do the opposite on pattern #3, just for the sake of play... And now, when you arrange it all, with a slight overlap of patterns... well, actually, it's not overlapping, just filling the gap where 8-stepped ones are, to prevent them from playing 2 times in a row, instead of just once, and you can get something like this... And that concludes today's tutorial, folks *takes his bow* :hihi: I hope I understood right what you meant, Steven, and that this is it. I hope... Last edited by HYPNAGOGIA on Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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envelopes over tracks for parameter controlThats perfect Hypna. So as your last example I could do say A1-A1-A1-A3 if I wanted. That's pretty cool, and with sync precision, which is such a chore in WaveLab even with copy/paste
VERY cool indeed! Last edited by Dungeon Studio on Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:31 am, edited 1 time in total.
envelopes over tracks for parameter controlSure, you could do A1-A1-A1-A3 if you wanted, or any other combination you can imagine. It's the same as placing your note patterns of an instrument in the playlist.
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envelopes over tracks for parameter controlWe will be able to mute/solo the automation tracks? That's a neat and potentially useful feature I hadn't even considered being there.
envelopes over tracks for parameter controlMute/solo???
It doesn't make any sound, no need for mute/solo. If you don't want automation to continue, just remove it from the playlist. It's easy as that. SoundCloud ::: Facebook
envelopes over tracks for parameter controlyour screenshot has MSR buttons on it. be nice to test it without the AT, or only with certain ATs.
envelopes over tracks for parameter controlWell, I guess MSR buttons are there because the ATs act in general like a generator. They even have a piano roll, but it doesn't do anything.
But, you're right. Basically, you can insert two or more AT for one control. Don't think it's recommended though, but it's possible, so yes, you can mute/solo individual ATs. The "Record" button, however, writes it directy into the Song Event, not AT. Last edited by HYPNAGOGIA on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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envelopes over tracks for parameter controlMy other question would be how does this effect other Events of a synth then? So let's say I got that Pattern Control doing the Cutoff all crazy and wack. But I want to draw or record a smooth ramp of say the Mod wheel going up for 4 measures. That's still permissable, right?
And/or I use the pattern's to bring the Cutoff ending at a high setting, but at the end of the song I want to smoothly ramp it down. Can I draw this in Event, or do I need another Pattern of say a 4 measure ramp down to do that?
envelopes over tracks for parameter controlYou can mix and match different types of autiomations (song events, pattern events and automation tracks), as long as they don't control one and the same thing. Now, that's absolutelly important. If you have two controlling, let's say, a Cutoff, it will indeed go crazy and wack. You can try it and see what it happens right now. Just use pattern and song events and make them control one same thing. It'll just go nuts and jump all over the place.
But you can have... ok, Wasp for example... Song Event controlling a Cutoff, Pattern Event controlling the Distortion Amount, and Automation Track controlling the Fat... and it all works fine. You can draw in the event, just like you can in Song or Pattern Event editors. Another good thing about ATs is they come with some predefinet events. For instance, pattern A2 is named "Fade Out" and is 64 steps long (all of them are), but you can stretch it to whatever length you want in the Playlist, so it's just a matter of placing that pattern in the end, so that would be your 4 measures. Or you can stretch it. That's how easy it can be. Predefined AT patterns are: A1 - Fade In A2 - Fade Out A3 - Square A4 - Square+180 (basically phased A3 Square pattern) A5 - Sinewave A6 - Exp. Curves A7 - Exp. Fade In A8 - Exp. Fade Out With all the rest free for you to shape as you see fit. Don't know yet if there'll be any changes to this. Of course, you can shape the predefined too, you don't have to use those, they're just there to get you started. Last edited by HYPNAGOGIA on Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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envelopes over tracks for parameter controlRight, well I`ve been playing with automation clips for a while now, and it still isn`t really versatile enough.
If you want to insert a curve in a particular region then you are screwed, the clips are interesting, but still feel like a kinda compromise to adding proper splines with curve control.
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