Right.... well, it's not up to me to decide what goes into Orion and what don't. I don't think the spline controls are that easy to code, so I wouldn't hold my breath for it to get into O8, otherwise it'll probably see the light of the day sometime next year. :hihi:
And I can't not to wonder.... what kind of automations you people do that require such graphical measures?
And no, I most probably wouldn't be screwed, even with some superhighpropulsionjet automation, I am still pretty much able to make it work for what I need. It just needs a little bit of thinking.... much like anything else
envelopes over tracks for parameter controlModerators: Christophe, Mark envelopes over tracks for parameter controlLast edited by HYPNAGOGIA on Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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envelopes over tracks for parameter controlI wonder if there might be a way of copy / paste automation manipulations in the pattern / song events in the future as well. These very cool feautures might be used for similar purposes, still to mark a clip and go copy paste on the sucker at different places in the events would be nice.
envelopes over tracks for parameter controlThat's too bad that one can't harness the Event editor to slope down say a Cutoff after it's been on a wild ride with the Pattern control?
So even if the pattern ends on say 128, and you slope the event down for at the end of the song from 128 to 0 smoothly in Event - the knob goes nutty? That's a shame indeed. I'm with Suecae as well then. Copy/Paste may actually be less work in the long run, if it's just for some minor intro crazy thing and outro fade out of that crazy thing? Patterns are cool for constant repeatable synth craziness. Is it fairly easy to make and adjust Pattern Control Hypna? Like in my example - do all the nutty stuff at the intro, and want a smooth cutoff at the song end. But - I don't know if it should slope down 2 measures, or 3 or 4? That's the nice thing with Event, just grab that snap line - draw it, and cue back on the measure line for playback. How would that work if dealing with making/adjusting Patterns?
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You can, just make sure they're not overlapping in the timeline. If your pattern ends on say 128, and you want to slope down the even from let's say 120, just make sure you have no other events for the same control from 120-128, and you'll be fine. And you're confusing me sometimes with "Pattern control", can't say if you really mean Pattern Events or Automation Track patterns. :hihi:
Answering to suecae_sounds post as well.... Why copy/paste, when you can make just one that would be in the pattern of the AT, and just place that pattern along the timeline in the playlist? Sounds much easier than having to select/copy/move to position/paste. Just like any other pattern in the playlist, you place it with a click of a mousebutton Like this.... And you can do that with any number of patterns and different shapes/sizes of events.
Just as easy it was to make/change any other Event. You still have all the standard tools to do that, except recording for now. So, for your example.... yes, you can do all that nutty stuff at the intro, and just smooth it down with a single pattern block. Not sure how long it should be? No problemo.... stretch it to whatever length you want. This is the same automation stretched to various lengths, using different patterns.... you can't stretch the same one, it affects all your other placed automations.... The only thing that AT is lacking, compared to Song and Pattern Events is recording the events inside its pattern clips. And of course, placing patterns that are shorter than 16 steps can be a little trouble, just like any other pattern... you have to make grid snap to small amount. Another thing that's being looked into is a way to make them not clutter the playlist with additional tracks. I'm sure something will come up for that any time soon. But other than that, I think you're just worrying too much SoundCloud ::: Facebook
envelopes over tracks for parameter controlOkay, I missed what you said earlier than Hypna. So I'd be okay then to have patterns at that start of the song doing some crazy twists to the Cutoff. But say 3min later the synth comes back in, and I just want that smooth snap line ramp of the Cutoof from where I left off at the beggining - that's okay then. As long as there's a good gap between the two, and my Event position is relative to where the Pattern left off. Gotcha.
Holy cow, and you can stretch those ramp patterns in Song mode! Now THATS cool! I like working with Events, and has done me well all these years. But this Pattern business is intrguing for sure. I was thinking it was just for rave dance music kinda things when it first was tossed around. It's really a pretty serious production app I'd say now. Thanks for the englightenment Hypna. :hut: Last edited by Dungeon Studio on Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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And not just ramp, but sinewaves, squares... pretty much anything you can draw in the event window, you can stretch it. And would you be surprised if I tell you that you can also do the same with instruments' patterns? You can stretch note patterns as well (not under 16 steps, though), and it "spreads out" the notes... or shrink them :hihi: Here's an example.... (this is the edit of this post... lol) A1 - random generated 16 step pattern A2 - A1 stretched to 32 steps A3 - A2 stretched to 64 steps A4 - A3 stretched to 128 steps A5 - A4 stretched back to 16 steps And there's absolutelly no difference between the stretches. Of course, just like with ATs, if you stretch a pattern in the playlist, you stretch all of that pattern instances, so you have to make copies of what you want to stretch. Yep.... stretching comes into Orion (no audio stretching, though)/ Last edited by HYPNAGOGIA on Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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envelopes over tracks for parameter controlThat's freaky! I mean, I knew patterns could be stretched/squashed with Tempo Change events or simply adjust the BPM. But to literally drag or push a pattern in will make it slo-mo or double time - yet the BPM stays the same?
Man, and there I was playing my ass off like Phillip Glass. :rofl: (daaa-daaa, daaa-daaa da-da-da-da Do-da-do-do daaa-daaa-daaa) But - stretching or squashing patterns still don't sound like tape speed though does it? THEN I'd be severly interested. But it's pretty cool still.
envelopes over tracks for parameter controlUmmm... no, I don't think it sounds like a tape speed
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