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remove EQ from OP8 mixer and make EQ section an effect?The same is true of hardware, there are many amazing stand-alone EQ effects available, yet every half-decent hardware board has built-in EQ and the better the desk, the more flexible the EQ gets. There are solid reasons for that which most people seem to get.
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remove EQ from OP8 mixer and make EQ section an effect?Muse - see my earlier post up the page - you can switch the EQ on and off by using skins
all you need is two identical skins, one with the eq shown on the mixer and one without, and you can switch between them. it might not be quite so fast as rich coding a new option that enables switching the eq in and out completely, but to change skins onlt takes a few seconds. if you never use orion's eq, it's even easier, just stick to the skin that has no EQ permanently. look up the page, i posted a link for a screenshot of a skin i already did (based on default skin) with no EQ on the mixer. you can download this from the same page on my website. it works! and it involves no extra effort for rich which he's not likely to make time for at the moment anyway.
remove EQ from OP8 mixer and make EQ section an effect?Yeah, the skin option is really interresting.
That could be an ez solution. Concerning the mixer eq, I use It on 30% of the channels when It don't need to be too much equalized (I dont say that It can't do the job, but I prefer some graphical visualisation sometimes). Otherwise I use some insert. And to me a low cut option on the mixer would make sense too cause it's the effect I use the most. Orion 8, Live 8Le, Cubase 4 LE, Cantana, APC40, UC16, Fostex PM1MKII, Q9550, 4G0, 1,5T, 22"+15"
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remove EQ from OP8 mixer and make EQ section an effect?If you are not EQing every channel in a mix, you're doing a poor job. Simple as that.
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remove EQ from OP8 mixer and make EQ section an effect?I'm interested in knowing the reason some here do not use eq that much or at all; like what kind of and how much stuff are you working with, do you record your own audio, how much audio (like loops and samples) do you use vs vsti, how many tracks, etc. Reasons I think of are:
1. You are unaware of what things like dynamics and eq are. 2. It just happens (not sarcasm) that the amount and quality of material you're working with (using the same few romplers, sample sets, synths) seem to work together. 3. from 2 and like 1; being unaware that the mix could be better with eq 4. Aren't concerned too much about the mix ("sounds good enuff") I know all musicians aren't like engineers and technical. I wasn't until I got interested in it. It's a language musicians would benefit from knowing. I wonder if it's a case of experience vs inexperienced vs caring and not caring. These days with all the romplers and sample sets that are eq'd well together so the mix sounds good out of the box...and I've heard things "kids" come up with a beat out of FL or Reason and the mix sounds good without using eq. I find it disappointing actually. But hey, the main point is to have fun so, eh. Last edited by Shadx on Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:28 am, edited 1 time in total.
remove EQ from OP8 mixer and make EQ section an effect?
A ROMpler might be EQ'ed such that some of its own sounds fit together, but you can rarely make a complete song with a single instrument. You only need to throw in a couple of samples and there goes your mix. It's more of a marketing thing claiming that instruments or sample sets are "made to fit in a mix". If something fits into a mix without any further processing, that's largely accidental. Admin - Synapse Audio Software
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remove EQ from OP8 mixer and make EQ section an effect?Yeah, I wasn't sure; never got into romplers. I was thinking more of other hosts with a bunch of sounds included, or bundled massive sets you get with a purchase of Kontakt or Live where everything fits together because they were prepped like that, but that was an assumption.
On the flipside, happy accidents are a great thing when making music though, which can happen more often when you don't know what you're doing... I'd still prefer to be a "master of my host", though. Last edited by Shadx on Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Well I'm just a musician and record what I play realtime but only use samples if I'm doing some sort of audio collage work and never use loops, beats etc so I don't have much need for eqing. I find most discussions of dynamics a bit obsessive and nitpicky and technical much of the time - for me music is an organic growing thing a bit like making a Raku pot - if it has flaws and imperfections that for me is something that adds to its interest - I don't want the cracks to be smoothed over.
remove EQ from OP8 mixer and make EQ section an effect?
I agree in a certain context; especially since the teeny-bop explosion of the 90's brought a lot of over-produced shit, all shiny and tight. I like grit, I have no problem tape hiss, amp buzz, etc; I'd rather listen to a good song with a bad mix than vice versa. Sure music is growing and organic, just like a mix. Combine the 2 to make it better. I mean, if you're talking about *playing* with it's flaws and imperfections, I get that. I come from a guitar background. That's what I half enjoyed listening to when I just used my 4-track, the happy accidents. But with a better mix, you can accentuate those things so you don't have to go "wait, shh shh, listen to this part" and people go "wha(?)" to hear an accidental harmonic because it's buried in mud. Yeah, a mix can ruin it, if you don't know what you're doing. If it's up to you how you want to mix it, it doesn't mean you have to smooth the cracks over. The song will always be most important, but if you know what you're doing, the mix can bring out the organisms instead of take them away. You can make it a lot more organic instead of flat and static throughout the whole song. It doesn't mean you have to go overboard, it's all up to you; I'm a fan of subtlety. I just think learning it (since it's there anyway, the eq) is a growing and organic thing too, which you can benefit from. No judgement, though. Last edited by Shadx on Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
remove EQ from OP8 mixer and make EQ section an effect?Well yeah you said it, subtlety. I do use a touch of eq occasionally (using Air Eq) but I just don't use it all over the place.
remove EQ from OP8 mixer and make EQ section an effect?
Plus of course, almost every instrument out there has presets designed to show off the instrument and what does that effectively is usually the opposite of what makes something fit into a mix well. If I took the best sounds from our songs and made a preset bank out of them, most would sound really lame because they are designed to be heard in the context of the piece, not on their own.
If that is true, then you probably need EQ more than most others. Do you think a Fender Rhodes' or Precision's sound was built around putting it into a mix? Or all the stomp-boxes you might run a guitar through? Of course not. You simply cannot do anything properly without lots of EQ, which is why it is everywhere. Dell G7 (Hexa-Core i7)|Cubase Pro 10||Analog Keys|Ultranova|MicroMonsta|Uno|Skulpt|Craft Synth 2.0|
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remove EQ from OP8 mixer and make EQ section an effect?
I think Muse's intention is it to capture the essence of his perfomances. If his microphoning can do that then he will feel no need to use eqing. Every instrumentalist, at least if he is musical, has an extremely strong concept of the sound of his very instrument. Interfering this sound (as a main carrier of emotion) with heavy eqing often is not sought after. It's common practice for many sound engineers to devote more time and energy to choosing and positioning microphones than to eqing. Not just in Jazz and Classical music the "mix" often is mainly in the arrangement. The process of mixing then is intended to subtly improve, not to "fit" or "fix" anything. The instruments you mentioned were designed to "fit" into band situations. The are still around because they met this goal so well.
remove EQ from OP8 mixer and make EQ section an effect?
Exactly - except I'm not using mikes - just hardware and soft synths. But what you say about not wanting to mess with it too much after is spot on.
remove EQ from OP8 mixer and make EQ section an effect?Muse said: Exactly - except I'm not using mikes - just hardware and soft synths. But what you say about not wanting to mess with it too much after is spot on.
---------------------------------- but eq is not just about making your individual sounds good - obviously using orion and / or pro hard / soft synths we all have access to good quality sounds. the point is, making those sounds fit together in a mix so you can hear all the elements with as much clarity and definition as possible. i.e. - take the midrange - your pad sounds, the upper range of your bass maybe, the snare on your drum loops, and any vocals (plus guitars if you use them) are all fighting for space. even if they are all high quality sounds in isolation they still need eq-ing to work together. so you might find for example find that the energy of your snare is masked by the synth pad you are using. find the sweet freq of the snare that you want to punch through, then cut that freq gently in the pad, and you'll hear the snare much better without affecting the pad sound much. then you have to sort out the kick drum and bass sounds, eq makes this possible. Last edited by harddisco on Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.
remove EQ from OP8 mixer and make EQ section an effect?Honestly, for the longest time I never used OP's EQ either. I figured for all the weird music I was doing, filters, distortion, delays and all would shape and texture the sound enough. And for the most part they did. But going back later and putting a smidge of EQ on them - holy crap! It makes them whole new incredible songs!
Definately agree with HardDisco, EQ can make or break a good song. But without any - you're really denying the music's potential outright.
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