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drumracks updateswhen I've used loops, they've been percussion and i've use sampler so I can slice them up.
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you really are a total fuckwit bones...it doesnt matter why i would want x here or y there (and where did i mention having hats on sep channels???) if thats what i want to do, thats ok...everything on this forum boils down to how YOU want it...totally fuckin sick of this crap...i might want to hard pan the hats and then have sep fx on each one...is that ok with you? or am i working the wrong way? do tell...just cos you use 3 drum sounds doesnt mean everyone else has too i can see Orion 8 is going to be a total fuck up once you've finished with it. An unusable skin and tons of stuff missing cos YOU dont use it...brilliant! Templates..hmm, how is that going to help? do templates have a new DR that has 12/16 outputs? no, so no help there, still means adding more DR's...useless. Windows 11 Home - 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-12400 2.50 GHz -32GB RAM
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drumracks updatesEverything boils down to what makes sense and what doesn't. If you want a perfect example, look at the thread asking for the Low Cut Filter to be put in the Mixer. I can guarantee you not one of the idiots who was in favour of that even understood that the Lo Shelf in the EQ is a Low Cut Filter. You only have to look at the responses to know the truth of it. I don't see any less ignorance on the part of those arguing for this, I'm afraid, so you'll pardon me for having my own opinion, won't you?
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A low-cut and a low-shelf filter is not the same, they have a different frequency response.
drumracks updatesAgain - DR isn't the ONLY drum sampler out there. Sure, it's got interesting features and interface. But how many countless other ones that are free posess as much and more than DR? I gotta go with Bones on this one, as it sounds like 'saturated laziness' to me? This "I haven't got time to load two DR's, but have all the time in the world to screw with 8 or 16 outputs on one' to 'I haven't got time to fool with EQ's and Inserts all day but if I had a Lowcut filter on EVERY channel I could muck with - then maybe I'll sound good?' - it really starts sounding sad after a while.
Why doesn't Subaru make a competitive sports car...? And what would you think of those that fought tooth and nail that they should? Pretty damn retarded I bet.
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That's from the manual.
Source So, if the manual text is right, then there is a Low Cut filter on the Mixer, and just the labelling is wrong. I can't really tell which type of filter is on the Mixer. I guess Rich would have to say on what principles it works. Does it just cut/boosts or does it do that increase/decrease thing of the rest, but I'm betting it's the first case. It certainly doesn't sound like it's doing anything to the rest of the spectrum when cutting/boosting, except to the band to which it applies, which in this case is fixed to 80Hz and goes under (low-pass). In any case, I haven't found a sound that was meant to spread in some higher spectrum that had the touch of lows which that little knob on the Mixer couldn't handle. Does it really matter what it is, as long as it does what it's supposed to when you listen to it? On the topic.... Personally, I couldn't care less if there's 4, 8, 16 or 128 outputs of the DR. I prefer to keep them separate, one DR per "instrument".... kick, snare, hihats (usually 2 or 3).... all on their own DR, thus each having their own mixer strip, doesn't take on the CPU... and makes it easier to make variations later in the arangement. Disagree if you like for having a few extra stuff in the playlist, it also makes the instrument ordering possible SoundCloud ::: Facebook
drumracks updatesthe text in the help is wrong.
A Low-pass is the opposite of a low-cut. The filter in the mixer is a low-shelf and not a low-cut.
drumracks updatesOk, then it's another thing that needs to be fixed in the manual, I guess?
And what's the big fuss about it anyway? It does the job, quite well. And for those people here that having issues with hihats with "big bottom": Shift+Delete. What kind of freaking hihat is that when the EQ on the mixer can't fix??? SoundCloud ::: Facebook
drumracks updatesExactly Hypna! And the same goes for DR in that matter. I mean if I was hearing a majority of people trying to do Bill Bruford and Neil Peart rythems, I could understand. But straight 4 piece 4/4 stuff and a percussion loop or two by and large. And for what I've heard off many OP users, it sounds damn good to me. Don't think I've heard anyone complain 'Dude, you didn't put the OHH on a separate channel? Is the crash and hi hats sharing the same delay and reverb? Man, this song sucks then'. I usually find the more people try to do with their music in way of 'perfection' - the more criticism the get as well. 8 or 16 outs for DR, someones bound to say 'The Crash doesn't sound right? The hat's sound like a cheap loop. It'd be nice if the toms were in the same space as the kick.'.
If people got Battery, and RM1V and Microtonics and SR-202's and can't make them work well enough in OP. I really don't think a extra 8, 16, or 32 out DR is going to help them much more?
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Incorrect. A Low Shelf filter is a Low Cut filter, it's a simple matter of different implementation. All you have to do is try these things out to see that they do pretty much exactly the same thing. The Low Cut Filter removes all content below the cutoff frequency, within the bounds of the filter's slope, whereas the Low Shelf EQ gives you the option to cut or boost. Most of the time the results will be so similar that you'd never know the difference. i.e. If I post samples using each, none of you would be able to pick which was done using what method, except in extreme cases. i.e. Where there is a lot of low-end content.i.e. Choose which to use on bassy parts but on everything else, EQ will do the job perfectly well. In the end, the only thing that matters is the result and if you cannot hear a difference, then there is no difference. Low Cut = High Pass, I'm sure it's just a simple error in the manual, although it would be confusing to anyone who knew just enough to get confused, like most of you guys it seems. Dell G7 (Hexa-Core i7)|Cubase Pro 10||Analog Keys|Ultranova|MicroMonsta|Uno|Skulpt|Craft Synth 2.0|
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Guess what? I tested it... and they hardly do the same. This is a sine sweep test signal from 20-200 Hz filtered with Orion's low-shelf and low-cut filters, both set at 80 Hz with different gain or slope settings. The purple line on top is the unfiltered signal. low-shelf is: -12 dB (white), -18 dB (blue) low-cut is: -12 db (orange), -18 db (cyan/light blue), -24 dB (purple) As you can see the low-cut filter affects the low frequencies much more than the low-shelf. The low-shelf affects a much wider frequency range and is also attenuating higher frequencies above the 80 Hz, whereas the low-cut doesn't do much above the cutoff- frequency. The low-shelf works fine for mild attenuation or boosts of a wider range, just like the bass knob on your stereo does, whereas the low cut is the choice to actually cut and seperate frequncies ranges. The 80 Hz low-shelf works great to remove some bass from a lead synth or pad, but when used on kick drums it will more or less attenuate the whole kick drum and that's not what I want. 2 different filters for 2 different purposes. In the low frequency range /say 50-100 Hz) of many dance music styles the (sub-)bass and the kick drum are close together, peaking only about 30 Hz from each other. In order to make room in the mix the filter has to have a rather steep slope to be effective. That's where a low-cut makes more sense than a low-shelf. I hope this helps to understand, what I was talking about. Maybe it's an overkill to have the low-cut in the mixer eq, but then I would really love to see more insert slots in the mixer. 4 inserts would be great. The MultiFX is a workaround at best, not very practical. and for the drumrack 8x : I really don't see the problem to add a drumrack with 8 stereo outputs. If you don't want to use it just use the other ones. Last edited by T-Breaks on Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:27 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Well, this might pose an issue, both in the skin and implementation. SoundCloud ::: Facebook
drumracks updatesIt ain't perfect but you get it:
drumracks updateswhy stick with the same presentation? repeat the number displays like for the cut trk and fit.. you could have 1000 drum rack tracks.
not that i'm all that interested in this. 4 works out great for me. And if I want more, they can probably be grouped together in different drumracks in a way that makes sense anyway. I don't understand one of the earlier complaints about needing to search through drumracks to find one in particular. Why not give them meaningful names?
drumracks updatesOne answer could be an option to set our preferences in he config box, not on the skin and then maybe save as a template.
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