And too, it's the way OP is used alongside word of mouth. A lot of people are doing great music here. Though I might be the one keeping the real estate value down? :rofl: But seriously, people ask what all I use to do my wack stuff, and I just say OP now. And they're pretty surprised and consider it. And double check again - 'You sure no Cubase or Protools or your racks and synths...?' Nope, just OP - okay and WaveLab to master. Soon as I say WaveLab, that seems to be the smoking gun of 'Ahhh I didn't think OP could be THAT good.'
Then I say 'I just Normalised, removed DC Offet, and made it a MP3 there'.
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Once......Many years ago..........Key words. On the other hand I've never seen Reaper advertise and I'm willing to bet on the size of their user base compared to Orion's. Perhaps Rich would do well to put Orion Pro on the CM Disk that ships monthly.Wouldn't or shouldn't cost Rich a penny and it would introduce people to the entry level Orion and entice them to upgrade. Maybe even take a few features out of Pro if needed to encourage people to upgrade.
With the new orion v8 i need.Nice point there teksonik.
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Thanks but I think I'll probably get flamed pretty good. Last edited by Teksonik on Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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I'm sure it's a case of once bitten, twice shy. Anyway, I've had the same thoughts about Rich sticking Orion Pro on the CM cover disk with a favourable upgrade path. Might make sense just before O8 is ready for release.
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You won't be getting flamed by me
With the new orion v8 i need.computer music magazine often do 'specials' where the concentrate on one host (FL/Reason/Live/Cubase etc) and the whole mag is full of tutorials/tips etc etc etc
i asked them a few time why the never did an Orion one...the answer? cos Orion doesnt have a big enough user base, so sales of the magazine would not be worth the time...
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he gave away the original 'orion' when that was discontinued..in some german mag i think... Last edited by machinist on Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Absolutely, I wholeheartly agree with that. O8 is gonna be filled with unique and fresh stuff.
There is no consensus about what is essential. Some may not even consider VST itself necessary, albeit that would be a minority. Then we have people who make orchestral music or band music; some who don't even need any sound at all and just want scoring, or do archaic midi sequencing. The goal of Orion 8 is to offer the very best sequencer to compose electronic music of any genre, on your PC, without the need of expensive external gear, yet reach the same or even higher sound quality. As a side effect, it may catch interest of other groups, but this is not a design goal. Admin - Synapse Audio Software
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With the new orion v8 i need.Nice to hear from the programmers perspective, thanks richard.
An orion cm version is not a bad thing, as people said. Edit: Why kriminal changed his name? Last edited by Vicious_Angel on Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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If that's the goal, I think it's definitely the sequencer that lets it down. Anyone coming from any other host will struggle to be impressed with Orion's archaic automation system and the "improvements" in v8 are not addressing any of those issues at all. It will be better than if you had persisted with ATs but it is still just a band-aid, when what is needed is major reconstructive surgery. Sound quality is where Orion is at, the rest of it is stuff you mostly just put up with for it. And it's the right emphasis, too. If the quality is not there, no amount of bells and whistles will make something sound good, whereas a crappy sequencer doesn't stop you doing anything. [I'm not saying Orion's sequencer is crappy but it is definitely it's weakest point.]
Don't get your hopes up. So far there is really nothing in v8 that I will very find useful. Certainly if something was taken out or changed, like if Screamer was removed, for example [don't worry, it's not], I would stick with 7.62, even though we only use Screamer on three or four songs. It's probably the least exciting full version upgrade I can remember.
I'm sorry but it is perfectly valid reasoning. Not every way of working makes sense or is worthwhile. For example, in your fantasy above - "What impact would make if in the monthly CM that travels all the world and people see on the dvd vicious_angel droping bombing beats in orion? But from other side Vicious_Angel has to load another program to chop his loops and timestrech them." - I would conclude that what Vicious Angel does is completely irrelevant to me. You say that there are other ways of doing things, yet you stick blindly to the way you work and complain about things not being just right for you. It's a crock. If there are more than one way of working, why can't you find one that suits you? I'll tell you why - because you simply won't look. You've cobbled together some semblance of a workflow and you expect everyone else to facilitate it. If it's not perfect, why don't you do something about it? People did fantastic recordings with almost no gear because instead of whining like little school girls about the inconvenience of having to use more than one application to do 150 different tasks, they said "well, this is what we have to work with, let's see what we can make it do". It's that attitude that you should take from those kinds of comments because it can be those limitations that really make you work hard and do a better job. Why would you even want to cut loops and do timestretching in Orion? Those are things best done by an audio editor, why expect a single application to do everything. Do you use just one synth for every part in every song? Of course you don't, so why draw the line at a $99 piece of software in such an arbitrary fashion? If Orion had cost you a few grand, I could easily understand this kind of attitude but for the money it offers orders of magnitude more than anything else out there. There are much smarter ways of thinking about all of it than this kind of self-centred, immature whining that seems to be most people's default setting these days.
We're not talking about SMS, we're talking about something like a talking maps GPS service, which no-one would ever expect to get in a $99 phone. It's nonsense. But phones are a great analogy. I think most of us would rather have a good phone that does everything you expect a phone to do and has a good quality microphone, so everyone can understand you, as well as a good speaker so you can hear other people clearly, rather than an iPhone, which has every possible function under the sun but by all accounts is not a very good phone. And that's the heart of the issue, it doesn't matter how many apps you download for your iPhone, it will never be a very good phone. OTOH, you can buy a really cheap phone, say for $99, that will do all the things you require of a phone. OK, you might have do some things on your laptop or netbook that an iPhone user can do on his phone, but so what?
That will depend what kind of newcomers you are talking about. Anyone with any idea about audio will quickly get a feel for Orion's superior sound quality. If they have any experience at all of working in a hardware studio, they will never have to look at the help and will be up and running in no time at all. OTOH, are idiots who've read a few issues of CM and equate quality to the sheer number of features, without any way of even assessing sound quality in any useful or meaningful way. So if all Rich wants to do is ship units, he should cater to the second group and forget all about making anything worthwhile. But if he wants to build something of quality, he must understand that the market that will appreciate his work is small and that his product will be well regarded by people whose opinion is important but most likely remain largely obscure. You can't keep everybody happy, you can't hope to compete with the big players for the volume section of the market, so you satisfy yourself that what you are doing is good and worthwhile. You are actually a perfect example. You blame Orion for the fact you feel the need to use two hosts when surely your other host, which IIRC is Live, is at least as culpable and it cost you how much more than Orion? If you're on the cover of CM, you should be complaining about how much you paid for Live, and yet you still do most of your work in Orion, not that a $99 app cannot do 100% of the things you need to do. It's ridiculous. Dell G7 (Hexa-Core i7)|Cubase Pro 10||Analog Keys|Ultranova|MicroMonsta|Uno|Skulpt|Craft Synth 2.0|
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With the new orion v8 i need.too much to read....skipping
With the new orion v8 i need.Yeah sure with your analogy we must be monkeys and live on the trees.
Man just needs food/water and a cave to sleep. I dont have a problem working with 2 hosts and i dont whine for orion, i care for my workflow and not yours simple. Emu1212m | Alesis micron | Edirol pcr500 | FOCAL CMS 50 | Senheiser hd 25-1 II | Core i7 etc
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Most stuff dates back to 2000 and was ok for the time- but things have changed since. By current standards, quite a few components offer average sound quality at best. The new stuff in O8, however, is going to be better or equal to the best sounding VST plugins available today, while using less CPU and memory ressources. This means it's 100% tailored to professionals: Sound, workflow, performance. Damn I like that slogan. Admin - Synapse Audio Software
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With the new orion v8 i need.good to hear richard....def something to look for in v8
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