Lance wrote:I qouted the image just to show the common (GUI) artifact with keys pressed next to each other. See around the C3, the shadow, not realistic as both keys are pressed.
Certainly more realistic than Orion's PR especially at that zoom level. I don't know why anyone would want to work at that level of zoom. I just did it for effect..........
Yes just a simple light on the keys pressed would work. Don't need to get too fancy.
HYPNAGOGIA wrote:that could be just one or two more parameter lines in the skin INI file for color changes, and no issues whatsoever.
Except that they are not live at all now, so there would need to be at least a bit of coding done.
origami wrote:Bones, the thing is this. Sometimes I record what I play with my keyboard. But sometimes, I play something with my keyboard but instead of recording, I paint the notes. Then I have to find in the piano roll the exact note/octave. A visual help would be...helpful
But if you take a minute to commit the relationship between your controller keyboard and the PR's keyboard to memory, you'll always know. e.g. The lowest C on my Line 6 KB37 is C4 in the PR, so if I look in the PR and see a note that's G8, I know that will be the highest G on the KB37 at +2 octaves. That relationship never changes.
Teksonik wrote:Looking at your fingers doesn't tell you where you are in relation to the Piano Roll position.
No, but your ears should and, like I said, its a fixed relationship so you only need to work it out once for each controller you use and you'll know for the rest of your life.
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bones wrote:Except that they are not live at all now, so there would need to be at least a bit of coding done.
Of course, any change to it will require some coding since no indication is present in its current state, so I'm guessing some MIDI reading will be required and a way to represent that reading on the keys in the PR at least. But I was actually thinking about it skin-wise. If Rich and Marcin decide to put this in Orion, instead of having to deal with bunch of keys graphics (according to the Acoustic Grand's skinning files that's 8 at least, even more if you involve the zooming at various levels - if you want it to be all fancy and whatnot), the two extra lines in the INI files for color changes just seems much simpler.
bones wrote:No, but your ears should and, like I said, its a fixed relationship
I don't know about your controller but you can change the octave range on mine...so no it's not a fixed relationship and of course you can scroll the PR. Quick, hit midi note number 58 and find it in an instant on the Piano Roll....let's see that's which octave then which note......or look there it's lit up how easy to find........
Don't waste you time trying to argue down this feature that's found in every other DAW I use. Like I said twice before once you actually use this feature and see how useful it is you find it missing in Orion.
Hopefully Rich will understand and consider it for inclusion in a future version of Orion.
HYPNAGOGIA wrote: if you want it to be all fancy and whatnot), the two extra lines in the INI files for color changes just seems much simpler.
Yes you can change the color of the white keys and black keys in the ini now so maybe something simple like Note Off color Black/White= and Note On color Black/White = would work. I'm sure there will be a bit of coding but what feature addition doesn't require a few more lines? No need to get fancy like Reaper but I wouldn't be upset if Orion got a similar keyboard...
I totally get you, Tek. I don't have a MIDI controller, but I do use my PC keyboard to play notes, and most of the time when making a sound on a synth, if I like it, I put in some notes in the PR, and then it takes me about 2-3 extra mouse clicks on those keys to find in which octave the note was. Not really a burden, mind you, though having something like note lighting up would take me to the spot immediately, without the need to even click on the keys.
As for the fancier keys, true, it looks better when the keys get pressed down, compared to the rather flat keys in PR, but I fear of the problems using graphics might introduce for the skinning - this especially applies for zooming in or out. And if Rich and Marcin find that there's a need for it to put in Orion, they'll figure out the best way to do it. We all know them for doing that
HYPNAGOGIA wrote:I don't have a MIDI controller, but I do use my PC keyboard to play notes, and most of the time when making a sound on a synth, if I like it, I put in some notes in the PR, and then it takes me about 2-3 extra mouse clicks on those keys to find in which octave the note was. Not really a burden, mind you, though having something like note lighting up would take me to the spot immediately, without the need to even click on the keys.
That sums it up perfectly. I've spent a lot of time poking around the Piano Roll in Orion that would have been saved by a simple note on indicator.
Teksonik wrote:I don't know about your controller but you can change the octave range on mine...so no it's not a fixed relationship
If you re-read my original post, you'll see I took that into account. Doesn't your controller tell you which octave it is set to? Both mine do. It would really be most useful when you are using your PC keyboard, I'd think.
Don't waste you time trying to argue down this feature that's found in every other DAW I use.
At no time have I suggested it is not a good idea, I am merely pointing out that it is easy to live without once you think about it for just a second. I'll also point out that Orion is not intended to be a DAW, although that should not really need pointing out at this stage, surely?
HYPNAGOGIA wrote:As for the fancier keys, true, it looks better when the keys get pressed down, compared to the rather flat keys in PR, but I fear of the problems using graphics might introduce for the skinning - this especially applies for zooming in or out.
I don't think using bitmaps is a problem per se, it is just that zooming them would probably require using the CPU or GPU, so it would need to be done in such a way as to not introduce glitches into audio playback.
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bones wrote: I'll also point out that Orion is not intended to be a DAW, although that should not really need pointing out at this stage, surely?
Surely you're not going to trot out that old dead horse are you? DAW or "Music Creation Suite" it's all the same...don't be a pedant.
You're not going to use that as excuse why Orion shouldn't have this feature are you?
Like I said I've used this feature in every other DAW I own or whatever you want to call them and it's very useful. If you don't agree then just move on and leave it up to Rich and Marcin to decide if this is a good idea or not.....apparently I'm not the only one who wants it since I'm not even the OP in this feature request..........
traumatek wrote:Bear in mind that there are some on these boards that sadly think they much shout down each and every idea that doesn't fit with THEIR ways of working
I can't imagine who you are referring to..........
bones wrote:. Doesn't your controller tell you which octave it is set to?
Of course it does. So then we have to look at our keyboard display to see the octave, then look back at the Piano roll to find the right octave then look for the right key.....or I can just hit a key on my controller and look for the blinking light or pressed key.....try it you'll see what we're talking about.........
Another slightly related topic is that Orion's Piano Roll opens up with C0 at the bottom of the screen here......an almost useless note range unless you're looking for the Brown Note. So I'm always scrolling up as a matter of habit.
Are you really telling me you have to look at your controller to know what octave it is in? Seriously? I can tell by what sound comes out when I press a key. Interestingly though, the octaves in the PR mean almost nothing to me - I need to press a key there to know what octave plays what. I suppose its because I am concentrating on other things when I am in the PR but countless hours of rehearsal/practice have made me intimately aware when it comes to the controllers.
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