I dont like his music also.
The video is all about the automations.
Bones he simply zoom in the project if you didnt get it, and as i understood there is the same idea as richard said. Automation gonna be visible when we want them to be visible. Zoom in-out etc.
I would love splines and not something drawable by a pencil.
And btw the guy made a lot of money from stuff like that.
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That's how automation should look like. Fast accessible, flexible and integrated.
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How can it possibly be fast, let alone flexible if not pattern-based? Unless you record long sweeps via MIDI controllers (which Orion can do already), this is a painfully slow way of working. An ideal sequencer should contain both linear and pattern sequencing paradigms to allow the ultimate editing speed. The big sequencers don't have that. Admin - Synapse Audio Software
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Alternate Idea For Improved AutomationAgreed. What those guys were doing was quite painfully slow and very unmusical. That way of working is so disconnected from the music, it's completely technical. I'd liken it to fixing a car as opposed to driving it.
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Alternate Idea For Improved AutomationHad a good look on YouTube for anything like Pro Tools or Logic et al using splines for 'live tracks', and couldn't find any? All this Melodyne vocal fixing and/or 'dance music making' stuff.
But Bones, your great kILLER GATE (or something close to that) - that's somewhat to the affect of what your graphs are showing? The trigger and gate steps could be essentially fashioned in that repeatable format of 'square/knee. square/knee, etc.' Would be cool if you could put a spline based interface on something like that gate effect.
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I'm sure Orion 8.0 will My statement was about linear mode. If both is possible without too much effort, that would be great. Which sequencer is he using, by the way? Last edited by DaZoid on Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:38 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Indeed. What they are doing is also the Sonar way of working. Slow is a correct word, but "painfully" is a very mild understatement. In Sonar the worst thing is that the automation will not move along with the bars if you move them.
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Well, how could a more perfect solution look like? It doesn't look too bad how you can grab and modify each automation spline. I just have to automate vocals which should be not that complicated but with the pencial and line tool, it takes pretty much time to get exactly what I want.
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Editing itself is not the problem. In dance music we often have repetitive automation, e.g. a compressor or reverb doing X every 4th beat or 4th bar or similar stuff. Using automation clips (or workarounds in 7.6 using Midi Out module), you can brush the automation on your song in the playlist within seconds. If fine adjustments are necessary later, the pattern nature allows you to change the pattern & the automation changes everywhere. In the big sequencers, this task is like trying to compose a song with say a kickdrum as an audio clip. You need to copy&paste it hundreds of times, and if you need to change it at some point, you have to restart from scratch and do everything again. Admin - Synapse Audio Software
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There is your answer DaZoid, and I would like to elaborate on the "restart from scratch" point. In linær auto, the automations is not associated to the bars, but independent. Say I have automated a reverb tail. Now if I want to move the tail along with some movement of a few bars within the song, I'll have to reautomate the whole reverb lane again. In Sonar I can not even copy and paste an auto section properly. Its a PITA for sure.
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@ Rich, Hskovlund - Possible solution Ah, k. For sure. So, how about keeping the pattern based approach and add just visually a linear automation on top. 1. For example. I have 4 patterns x 16 bars. A simple synth generator. 2. the pattern window shows 4 patterns and underneath one single automation window (=autowindow) which is 4x16=64 bars, covering the entire 4 patterns. 3. the 64 bars (autowindow) are visually and from an editable point of view one but the software itself treats them as 4 patterns x 16 bars for later calculations / operations. 4. Now I'll start to automate the cutoff of the generator by lets say starting from upper left corner (start = 1) of the autowindow and stop at the value of 0 (lower right corner) at the end of bar = 64. And now there's the trick. The software internally cuts the 64 bar automation block in 4 blocks. For the user it's like being able to automate the full song of 64 bars whereas for the software it treats it like before, pattern based. This would mean that automating is much more handy than before without losing the advantages of a pattern based approach. No need to start from scratch. Just make the pattern based approach accessible like a linear one but keep the linear auto values stored in each pattern. A new dimension for the pattern(s) would be needed for that of course, like you have 4 x A1 pattern(s) and 4 times a different set of auto values (a1, a2, a3, a4). But maybe that's the smoothest way to implement it. A1.1 correspronds to a1 A1.2 correspronds to a2 A1.3 correspronds to a3 A1.4 correspronds to a4 .1, .2, ... is the new pattern dimension. Like a z buffer or whatever. Now, let the expert speak... Last edited by DaZoid on Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Alternate Idea For Improved AutomationWhy wouldn't you just make a 64 bar pattern and be done with it? Same goes for automation clips - why can't they just be part of the instrument's pattern? Why do they have to be separate? What is the advantage? The whole idea seems stupid to me and the more I think through the process, the more stupid it looks.
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it gonna kill me a lot,because i can't do automation so well with turning knob with my mouse. i would better prefer drawing line in automation.no more stress and headache. and i hate everytime,when i move in song playlist pattern,automation need to be done again.i hate it,just hate it. Keith Murray, Da Muzicianz, Ying Yang Twins, Big Omeezy Beat Maker.
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