Peter, the master section only displays busses *IN USE*.
By default, the master section is way smaller than currently, only containing the sends and master strip. In fact Bones benefits massively from just this improvement. What Bones posted is nonsense, nobody ever suggested that abomination.
Busses are automatically shown as you use them- you don't need to create/delete or show/hide them. If you start a new project and select bus #16 for instance, it is instantly shown in the master section (only that bus #16, not #1-#15!). You never see anything that you do not actually use.
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Idea to Add Complexity Without More Busses/Inserts/SendsRichard, I did expect as much. In regard to bones's mockup I was just playing devil's advocate
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For the busses, yes, it was his idea. The "vomitting" of the initial mock-up happened only 2 or 3 days later, but I haven't posted it on the beta-forum. As I wrote back then, didn't want to scare you away with it's size :hihi: SoundCloud ::: Facebook
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The problem I see there is possible accidental fader changes as one tries to turn a button on or off quickly - and that's NOT good! The mixer and all is so well laid out as it is. At worst, keep them at the bottom of the strip for everyones piece of mind. And I think the big thing we're all missing here as we try to turn OP into some LA studio - OP's used 'live' as well. So though I agree to a degree when you say Bone's idea is 'too simple to be complex, and too complex to be simple'. That's pretty well been OP's overall dogma since day one... And it's allowed so many to make so much so easily. Why we're here and not with Cubase and Reaper and Ableton and the others. I'm just surprised that Bone's idea seems so kind of 'blah' to you? But yes, you got to make OP 'exciting for the future' and all that too. Mackie had to go digital and new designs to keep selling their mixers... But you still know a Mackie when you see one. 10 years old to this months release. Just hope OP can somewhat stay in that frame of mind as well.
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I'm not a GUI designer, but at least for the bus selection problem I have a possible solution. I also think the possibility of assigning to multiple busses or master at the same time should be kept. Keep the 5 buttons like we have now. -left click activates/deactivates a bus -right click opens a list with the available busses this will still allow to send the signal to 5 different busses (incl. the master). amateur'ish mock-up pic:
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You are hilarious...Orion is, and will still be, lightyears away from a LA studio. @T-Breaks: the pulldown doesn't have to include the 'M' as the master has it's own dedicated button (in your mockup ).
Idea to Add Complexity Without More Busses/Inserts/Sends@crimson.. you are right!
Idea to Add Complexity Without More Busses/Inserts/Sendsin fact that concept with the selectable bus could also be used for sends.
A channel hardly uses more than 4 different sends, but the total number of sends to choose from could be higher. That way you could use sends for different delays, reverbs, distortions etc. and choose up to 4 of them for one channel. This adds flexibility and doesn't use more space in the mixer strip. Last edited by T-Breaks on Sun May 16, 2010 9:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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In what respect? I find that the opposite is true- and that's not just O8, but music software in general. Software can provide you with whatever synthesis, sampling or effects processing you want, at a faster workflow, same or higher quality and much lower cost. Hardware is stuck to its limitations and cannot emulate software at all. Unless it's digital hardware, in which case it gets obsolete at lightspeed, to use your analogy :biglol: This follows directly from Moore's Law, it's probably always going to be like that. So what gear is left that sounds better in hardware...maybe tube-based guitar distortion... but there's heavy research in that area- so it won't be long before your PC sounds exactly like a '59 Bassman. Whether anyone cares though is another question. Quite a few producers will tell you the last three softsynths they bought sounded better than any hardware they ever had. I think the trend is pretty clear.
Very good idea! But I don't know how this could work visually. Admin - Synapse Audio Software
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That is a brilliant idea! Here's how it could look in the Default Mixer. This strip is exactly the same size as the current one. I just re-organised the sends but a little bit of extra juggling could make it a little less cluttered. What's great about this idea is that it would make it possible for sends and busses to be completely combined/integrated. So you would have the same list of choices at the top for the sends and at the bottom for the busses. Change the name from sends/busses to AUX, add the ability to rename them and everything is done. Old songs would open with the four sends assigned to Aux 1 - 4 and busses assigned to Aux 5 -8. Then you could just delete the ones you weren't using and resave the song or add a few more to finish off something you couldn't complete previously. It's great to see how constructive discussion can be when people bring alternative ideas into it, rather than just being negative about the original concept. Of course, the next hurdle is getting Rich on board. Last edited by bones on Mon May 17, 2010 12:56 am, edited 1 time in total.
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It's a matter of getting used to. If you don't like it, for a few extra pixels to the height, it can be arranged to your liking
Well, there's no any big changes, really. The entire concept remains the same as it was, it just has more of it now, as per people's requests.
Think that's already established, only it's 4 selectable busses + master as fixed (on/off)
How do Send knobs fit in that concept? Or are you talking about something completelly different? SoundCloud ::: Facebook
Idea to Add Complexity Without More Busses/Inserts/SendsCheck the post before yours, I made a mock-up to show how it could work. I must have posted it while you were typing your reply.
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Idea to Add Complexity Without More Busses/Inserts/SendsThat does look better Bones. Giving the option without too much of a layout upheaval. Still like the idea of the submixer. Just think so much more can be achieved with many instruments through focused effects to get that 'wall of sound', as opposed to a singular instrument going through numerous effects to achieve the same result. Just seems so much easier to play it, copy it, cram it through AD-1 too. Than to play it, put doubler after AD-1...Or before it. Add a widener, add a low cutfilter.... :rolleyes: 96 tracks and/or inserts can make a record. Yet it's just a person to a quartet or a little more that can make a hit.
And agree Rich. Software is fast overpowering studio's. Most of which are ProTools, Mackie's now anyways. Anything fancier is really just hardware to access devices on the computer monitor still. So the days of racks, tube's, patch bays is quickly coming to a end. I think a producer like Timbaland could do the exact same music on OP 7.62 with quality software, know how, and a good audio editor as he could in a fancy studio. In fact - I think him in the studio supposedly 'producing' One Republic was just so it looked good on a video. Wouldn't that blow the star struck minds here if that was true. :rofl:
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Rich, I didn't mean that in a negative way I just meant that in regard to complexity a 'big studio' has a bit more to throw at a user then Orion currently does. I'm sure that someone experienced with Orion still can't do anything (right away) when confronted with a big Neve or SSL console Software IS making things more easy so any DAW should be simpler then a hardware-filled recording facility. For example; I used to use a Midex and two A880 midi-patchers to manage all the 80 midi-channels I had available to control all the outboard gear and patch-management. Just administering what went where was a big PITA. These days, with everything ITB and total-recall as something that you don't even think about (it just works that way) it has become much simpler. Having said that, most 'complexity' in other DAWs has a lot to do with being able to control stuff OUTSIDE the computer in a studio with some or a lot of hardware. I'm going to buy a Fasttrack Ultra 8R soon, not because I need to record 8 inputs at once, but because it let me patch my REV-4 into the digital audio-stream. I need four dedicated ins and outs to it. For that I need a DAW to be able to use and route several ins/outs AND to be able to compensate for round-trip latency. Orion is not there and for me it doesn't have to be as it's scope is different (i.e. doing everything ITB) and that's fine with me. @bones: that last mockup sure looks sweet
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Chicks+console are just for show surely? Did you look at Mackie website recently? Hard to find anything but a compact mixer these days. It seems the days of the big recording mixers are over, and the outboard gear manufacturers focus on mixers for live/stage performances, mostly. Bones, maybe you intended it that way already but I think the 4 sends must be pre-configured to 1, 2, 3, 4? Surely we don't want to do this for each channel whenever we start a new project As far as busses=sends and AUX...that looks like a brilliant idea, as well. Admin - Synapse Audio Software
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